Upcoming AHCA House Vote: Thursday Night Showdown? - Page 7 - Politics and Economics

It's amazing the knots people will twist themselves into in an effort to avoid the manifest reality that Trump is simply the uninformed and unprincipled moron all the evidence suggests he is.

Yep, this has been going on since the GOP primaries, the theory that Trump is actually a genius playing the part of a moron to fool everyone. It's pretty obvious the guy is just really, really dumb.

Even back when he hosted The Apprentice, the live finale shows were always a trainwreck because Trump couldn't formulate a coherent sentence when speaking without a script.

I suspect this bill will barely pass the House simply because the GOP knows it will die in the Senate, and then they can blame the Dems. They are spineless and nothing matters but the next election.

03-24-2017 , 09:43 AM

#152

Huehuecoyotl

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 29,257

Stolen from Twitter but this bill mimics "The One Where They Build a House.”

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/845111584007565312

03-24-2017 , 09:47 AM

#153

jjshabado

Carpal Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 22,732

Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

I suspect this bill will barely pass the House simply because the GOP knows it will die in the Senate, and then they can blame the Dems. They are spineless and nothing matters but the next election.

I think this is possible, but I don't think its likely.

Many of the Republican votes against are coming from Republicans that will have no problem getting re-elected if they vote against this bill. Which means if they try to vote FOR the bill for overall party goals they're probably opening themselves up to some other crazier ass person to come at them from the right in the next primary.

The only upside to the current political situation is that its a lot of Republicans getting royally ****ed by their own past behaviour.

03-24-2017 , 10:04 AM

#154

fatkid

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 8,860

Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

It's amazing the knots people will twist themselves into in an effort to avoid the manifest reality that Trump is simply the uninformed and unprincipled moron all the evidence suggests he is.

This is a good post. Healthcare is hard boyz.

03-24-2017 , 10:09 AM

#155

Huehuecoyotl

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 29,257

Trumps pitch for the plan doesn't actually mention anything the plan does, just that Obamacare is bad

https://www.instagram.com/p/BR_J2QhAKPV/

03-24-2017 , 10:10 AM

#156

AllTheCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

Sigh. When this thing passes, expect streaming tears of adoration from the Trump slappies, even those that know this is a terrible bill.

"*Choke* Now that's damn fine deal-making. I knew he'd pull it out."

03-24-2017 , 10:11 AM

#157

13ball

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,912

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8=====D

insurance already covers nothing up to the deductible which is sky high

quit pretending obamacare is great just because what the republicans are rolling out is even worse

I remember when Obama invented the deductible. What a Muslim jerk.

03-24-2017 , 10:14 AM

#158

Mr.mmmKay

Drugs are bad...

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 20,176

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Trumps pitch for the plan doesn't actually mention anything the plan does, just that Obamacare is bad

https://www.instagram.com/p/BR_J2QhAKPV/

They don't even spell check their posts

Quote:

You were given many lies with #Obamacare! Go with our plan! Call your Representative and let them them know you're behind #AHCA. Check the link in our bio to find your Representative.

VERY BAD!

03-24-2017 , 10:18 AM

#159

AllTheCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

Freedom Caucus Repub: Well, this bill goes against every principle I've crowed about for the last decade. But...

Moderate Repub: Well, my constituents hate this bill, and it will make them poorer and sicker. But...

In Unision: Obama was BLACK!

Final vote: 241 Yes to 194 No.

03-24-2017 , 10:19 AM

#160

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,724

It's not passing, bros. Have y'all learned nothing about Trump?

03-24-2017 , 10:25 AM

#161

AllTheCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

It's not passing, bros. Have y'all learned nothing about Trump?

What are we supposed to have learned? It seems like all the relevant lessons from the election support the "it will pass" position.

03-24-2017 , 10:42 AM

#162

einbert

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14,911

The fight's not over people. Call your Representative. Tell them why it's important to you that they vote NO on AHCA today. Never give up, never surrender!

03-24-2017 , 10:42 AM

#163

13ball

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,912

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Sklansky

Is there any reason the Democrats should consider pulling a fast one and push an otherwise losing bill over the top?

There are a lot of reasons. First among them, when the GOP passes a bill they own healthcare.

This would be the play if it weren't for 1) the people who are going to get screwed hard by this bill and 2) the high likelihood that this bill gets killed in the Senate.

03-24-2017 , 10:49 AM

#164

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,724

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

What are we supposed to have learned? It seems like all the relevant lessons from the election support the "it will pass" position.

That he's a con who doesn't deliver on his grandiose promises. What, is he gonna use his Master Persuader super negotiation skills to work out a deal everyone is just gonna love? lol no, he's gonna bail out and move on to not passing tax cuts.

03-24-2017 , 10:54 AM

#165

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,485

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Tax cuts are boring. Suggestion:

03-24-2017 , 10:56 AM

#166

AllTheCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Inapplicable lessons. Trump doesn't have to do anything. He just has to say that he wants it, and threaten to turn the base against the people who oppose him - something he has already done in this instance and which succeeded during the election - and they will cave.

And as I believe you yourself and countless others have said: what does the GOP really care about?
#1 Highest Priority: Sticking it to libs.
#2 (Trump wing): Winning.
#3 (Paul Ryan wing): Tax cuts.

It passes, bruh.

03-24-2017 , 11:16 AM

#167

fxwacgesvrhdtf

Guest

Posts: n/a

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

If Trump actually ends up letting the ACA stand I wouldn't be surprised if he campaigns on that fact in 2020.

He can campaign on getting rid of Obamacare and replacing it with the Affordable Care Act and his slappies will eat it up.

03-24-2017 , 11:25 AM

#168

jjshabado

Carpal Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 22,732

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

He can campaign on getting rid of Obamacare and replacing it with the Affordable Care Act and his slappies will eat it up.

This is one of the saddest "sad but true" things I've read in awhile.

03-24-2017 , 11:29 AM

#169

Parlay Slow

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8,122

Anyone good websites for following the minute-by-minute of this?

03-24-2017 , 11:32 AM

#170

synth_floyd

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,074

According to TheHill.com at 11:04am:

Quote:

There are now 34 no votes on The Hill's Whip List.

03-24-2017 , 11:34 AM

#171

Onlydo2days

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,276

I think it would better for the GOP if it fails right now, if it passes then it is just going to fail in the Senate and waste more time for them. If it passes then they are screwed even more because of how bad it is.

Biggest question is if it fails today and Trump moves on, how enraged will voters be? After 8 years of saying how bad the ACA is, can you really just leave it be when you have congress and WH? Trump's been deflon don before but this seems like a leap.

Last edited by Onlydo2days; 03-24-2017 at 12:03 PM.

03-24-2017 , 11:59 AM

#172

simplicitus

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,840

Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

According to TheHill.com at 11:04am:

Tick, tock.

Someone is losing this showdown between Trump and freedom caucus. I just wish they could both lose.

03-24-2017 , 12:02 PM

#173

13ball

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 12,912

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

I think it would better for the GOP if it fails right now

I think this is probably right, but it will still be bad and hilarious. They will have some phony distraction by next week, though.

Don't be surprised by a terror threat warning.

03-24-2017 , 12:02 PM

#174

Onlydo2days

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 19,276

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman220

He can campaign on getting rid of Obamacare and replacing it with the Affordable Care Act and his slappies will eat it up.

Based on reading breitbart stories and comments section this is definitely not true.

03-24-2017 , 12:05 PM

#175

simplicitus

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,840

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

I think it would better for the GOP if it fails right now, if it passes then it is just going to fail in the Senate and waste more time for them. If it passes then they are screwed even more because of how bad it is.

Biggest question is if it fails today and Trump moves on, how enraged will voters be? After 8 years of saying how bad the ACA is, can you really just leave it be when you have all 3 branches? Trump's been deflon don before but this seems like a leap.

God, I hate myself for this, but strategically I hope this passes. There's probably still only 25% of the country paying attention. If it passes house and gets even more coverage, that may go to 60%. The bill is pure undiluted aids and needs to be widely associated with Trump.

Page 7 of 11

First

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

Last

...

Page 7 of 11

First

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

Last