Honestly getting some of the House Republicans who aren't that friendly to him primaried in 2018 over the ACA might be a play, simply because of how many safe R districts there are. Dems aren't going to be ready to compete at the local level in many states any time soon.

It's amazing the knots people will twist themselves into in an effort to avoid the manifest reality that Trump is simply the uninformed and unprincipled moron all the evidence suggests he is.

insurance already covers nothing up to the deductible which is sky high

quit pretending obamacare is great just because what the republicans are rolling out is even worse

I think there's something about the reconciliation process that once they pass tax reform they can't go back and do the ACA stuff. Like it's now or never.

It's not just Trump, it's the whole party. They can't find a better alternative to Obamacare because Obamacare IS the alternative. That's what it was designed for all those years ago-- as the right wing's answer to single payer.

They've essentially been fighting their own policy for the last seven years. Now wonder they're in a box now.

God bless the NYT upshot, this time compiling and updating the whip counts across media.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...omparison.html

LUL, Trump's out for blood.

But what is the point of this? They have no end game because it will die in the Senate.

Dying in the Senate is probably the best the GOP can hope for now.

They've backed themselves into a corner where they can only offer really ****ty 'solutions'. Dying in the Senate IS the only way they can blame Democrats.

Not even a little true it covers pretty much all of those outside the deductible. Prescriptions have their own deductible which is a fraction of that. Dr. Visits are not subject to deductibles but have a co-pay.

The only reason they want to remove it is because the think they can trick dumb people that if their premiums go up slightly it's a win yet care will be gutted. I know some think cutting those things will lead to lower premiums. However under the plan the premiums are pretty much at the discretion of the insurance company so not only will people get fake healthcare for the same price as ACA but the federal government will be subsidizing these fake plans as well.

I would add any person would blow through their deductible with an ambulance ride and a few days in the hospital. The problem is if these things are not part of healthcare plans you don't magically get insurance negotiated prices.

Andy Biggs, my Rep. in AZ, just put out a statement that he is a no on AHCA because he wants a clean repeal of Obamacare. He is a new guy and I didn't know much about him. Apparently he once won $10M in the Pat McMahon/Dick Clark sweepstakes. And he hates socialized medicine. He's been trying to screw Medicaid for a while.


http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/blogs...ssacre-6503036

It's looking pretty bad for the GOP in 2018. I hope. Please.

I truly hope this is the case but recent times have continued to illustrate that young people - who would likely vote 60-40 D or close to it - will stay home and screw around on Facebook instead of going to vote during the midterms, no matter how important the issues.

LOL man, most people have kids and jobs and not everywhere makes it convenient to vote. GTFO with the facebook bs

Meh, it's still pretty far away and people have short memories.

If Trump actually ends up letting the ACA stand I wouldn't be surprised if he campaigns on that fact in 2020.

What would the first bolded part have to do with my assertion about young people not voting?

What would the second bolded part have to do with voting during Presidential election years but staying home during midterm and city election years?

Turnout in general is ridiculously low, but especially among the early 20s who don't generally have kids and often don't have jobs.

The not making it convenient to vote thing is a good point though. ID laws and not having polling locations on college campuses can make voting more difficult for young voters.

(joking maybe?)

Is there any reason the Democrats should consider pulling a fast one and push an otherwise losing bill over the top?

This is true, but I expect 2 solid years of **** show.

No. It opens them up to being primaried (for good reason) and weakens the line that the Republicans completely ****ed this up for themselves. And of course it allows the Republicans to claim they had bipartisan support and yadda yadda yadda.

No need to get all fancy pants. The Republicans ****ed themselves. Democrats should just enjoy the show.

Hoping a terrible bill would hurt the GOP if enacted. But the Dems aren't Republicans and thus wouldn't screw the country that nakedly.

Republicans may be judged for failing to pass a repeal, but I don't think they will take damage for pushing a bad bill that doesn't pass. Basically, the details of a repeal bill don't matter unless Trump signs it unto law.

no

New Republican Theme Song

Republicans thought getting rid of Obamacare would be easy, but what they got is ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPBIwQyPWE

My Congressman Lays Down The Law on His AHCA "No" Vote

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000604312

I watched the full interview on CNBC. (It went on for about 8 minutes.) It was classic Mo ... He stripped the bark off the tree insisting that the very survival of our 200-year-old republic will be in peril if "the greatest Republican welfare bill in history" passes.

That's Mo for you ... Nobody can accuse him of indulging in hyperbole.

I assume it passes today (very close).
Goes to the Senate. Senate doesn't take it up.
Senate passes something else.
The Senate bill dies in the House Conference.