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The moderates who now want to defect will have difficulty because they were using the argument that conservatives need to vote yes on a bill that they hate because it is better than no bill at all.

03-23-2017 , 03:57 PM

#102

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

The moderates who now want to defect will have difficulty because they were using the argument that conservatives need to vote yes on a bill that they hate because it is better than no bill at all.

They have no choice--if they vote yes on a bill that guts all the Obamacare protections they will get destroyed in 2018.

Best case for Dems taking back the House is a very conservative bill that moderates vote for.

03-23-2017 , 03:59 PM

#103

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

They have to do something about Obamacare. What that is? Who knows.

But you can't denounce it the way they have for 6 years and then let it stay. Trump talked about repealing and replacing everyday for 18 months as well.

Maybe they move onto tax reform and try to get an easy victory but this isn't isn't going away.

The problem is votes and they also spent eight years destroying any future quid pro quo that was normally a part of partisan governance.

On top of that the only thing republicans are good at are opposing things and that has ultimately put themselves at complete odds with themselves.

There is no path to ACA repeal only so they need to replace or they would guarantee a 2018 bloodbath. Problem with replace is they have two sides a canyon apart and no democratic friends because they have crapped on them for years.

Honestly the most likely compromise will be the worst for voters so there is no good out for them.

03-23-2017 , 04:01 PM

#104

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Given the speed at which things are moving today this may well be old and out of date at this point, but NYT reporting that Trump agreed to remove basic benefit requirements after meeting with freedom caucus

It is funny Trump bent over and took it and still did not get a vote.

03-23-2017 , 04:03 PM

#105

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Chiefsplanet is totally silent on the AHCA vote. As if noting was going on.

03-23-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Chiefsplanet is totally silent on the AHCA vote. As if noting was going on.

I hope you're going to live up to your name. I would suggest mentioning "the art of the deal" and many quotes about making great deals. Maybe throw some Scott Adams quotes in there as well.

03-23-2017 , 04:19 PM

#107

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

I hope you're going to live up to your name. I would suggest mentioning "the art of the deal" and many quotes about making great deals. Maybe throw some Scott Adams quotes in there as well.

They're actually pretty hard to troll, tbh.

03-23-2017 , 04:32 PM

#108

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One of the best parts is seeing congressmen talking about we don't need no mammograms or maternity coverage we are guys.

Making clear they have no concept how insurance underwriting works.

03-23-2017 , 05:57 PM

#109

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Holy ****! I sent him an email, but I didn't think this was possible.

https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/s...23773518651392

03-23-2017 , 07:07 PM

#110

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Originally Posted by markksman

One of the best parts is seeing congressmen talking about we don't need no mammograms or maternity coverage we are guys.

Making clear they have no concept how insurance underwriting works.

I for one enjoyed the shots of literally nothing but men sitting around a table with Pence talking women's healthcare

03-23-2017 , 07:24 PM

#111

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

I hope you're going to live up to your name. I would suggest mentioning "the art of the deal" and many quotes about making great deals. Maybe throw some Scott Adams quotes in there as well.

Scott Adams just changed his mind about Trump. I think he thinks that Trump is Hitler.

03-23-2017 , 07:29 PM

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Yeah Dilbert's masterful use of cognitive dissonance is rivaled only by his certainty that anyone who has ever disagreed with him is employing cognitive dissonance. I'll forever be stunned that he has an audience

03-23-2017 , 07:31 PM

#113

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Originally Posted by Namath12

He was one of the few people that predicted Turmp's victory. His premise was that Trump is either a master persuader and gonna do great things and everyone's just freaking out and saying Trump's Hitler. The other possibility is that Trump is Hitler. He just on Monday had extreme cognitive dissonance episode and he realised Trump is bad. Maybe not Hitler, but bad. I had the same kind of realisation.

03-23-2017 , 08:04 PM

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So apparently Trump and Ryan have thrown down the gauntlet and said no more negotiations, this is being put to a vote tomorrow. This was the strategy Axelrod said they should adopt - put it on the floor and dare them to vote no.

Pundits saying no way they flip the 25+ no's to yes's, which is comforting to hear. Then again, we're really counting on Republican ideologues to stick to their guns, and I have a pretty vivid memory of this:

Spoiler:

So, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

03-23-2017 , 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

"I’m very happy with the one that both parties like. I can live with either one. I thought for a while the essential benefits looked like it may be the easier of the two. But honestly, if Mark Meadows, and if the moderate Republicans... if the HFC and the moderates are happy, I’m happy with the one they like the best.”

03-23-2017 , 08:40 PM

#116

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Guys, your phone calls are working. The emails, tweets, letters to the editor, protests, visits to your Congressperson, they're all working. We may be this close to saving ACA, at least for the time being:

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/845064614471761920

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/845064917770227715

03-23-2017 , 08:45 PM

#117

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Lol he is the best negotiator. He will really dominate negotiations with world powers when gets tired and gives up in 24 hours.

This is where it's not like his business. If he tries to negotiate stuff and fails now most of it will be known about. In his life as a fake businessman failures in negotiating rarely were heard about. He invoked an nda so often his failures were protected way more than most.

03-23-2017 , 08:46 PM

#118

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What exactly is Trump's threat here? It's not like if Congress waits two weeks or two months before coming up with a bill they agree on, Trump's going to veto it like "NOPE, I told you I was done with this back in March".

(Not that I don't enjoy the fact he's putting a nonsensical clock on their repeal efforts!)

03-23-2017 , 08:47 PM

#119

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Lol it's his negotiating mad lib

03-23-2017 , 08:47 PM

#120

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Thread:

https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/stat...35876233199618

03-23-2017 , 09:17 PM

#121

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https://twitter.com/DanEggenWPost/st...66322815959043

03-23-2017 , 09:34 PM

#122

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But ED isn't listed. These commies are still making me pay for things I don't need.

03-23-2017 , 09:37 PM

#123

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I do kind of wonder what useful health insurance would look like that doesn't include hospitalization, doctor visits, prescription drugs, mental health and substance abuse treatment, etc. It seems like it would cover basically nothing.

03-23-2017 , 09:48 PM

#124

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Trump is calling TFCs bet and is willing to see if they were bluffing. Congressmen who don't like the bill are a lot more likely to get changes if they say they're a No even if they plan to vote yes.