And this man is a hero. By standing up to these fascist thugs (in a nonviolent and peaceful way no less) he is standing up not just for himself, but for all of us.

No idea, I've never read the T&C. No one has.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Letter From a Birmingham Jail"
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/k...irmingham-jail

I mean that kind of elevates the plight of, uh, airline passengers (???) to lofty and probably excessive heights. Rosa Parks is a hero because she stood up to vast and systemic injustice. The plight of airline passengers seems, um, less important.


edit: haha seeing the immediately above post seems to indicate I am responding to satire, well played.

edit2: oh the post immediately below seems to contradict the satire theory. oh. OH.

He was a doctor who needed to fly to treat his patients. He paid for the seat and he had already been boarded. Those patients could easily DIE without his care.

This is where it is clear that our society really does see corporations as people. Actually, it values the rights of corporations over the very idea of human life.

I don't know of you're being sarcastic or not, but can your landlord drag you out of their/your house?

That's not the point though. Autocratic nailed it. To the authoritarian there is no limit or question about the degree of force. If he is wrong and does not comply with authority and push comes to shove he either complies or dies.

Obviously nothing compares to racism other than racism, but the idea that airline passengers aren't being forced to give up a lot of rights isn't absurd. United is clearly the bad guy here for not having a process for selecting passengers for forceful removal from a plane that could have avoided this. Good for the passenger for making it as painful as possible for United, I hope one of his patients sues them for making him miss an appointment.

Funny that you make this post mere moments before he was compared to Rosa Parks and called a hero. I don't think you should respect all authorities in all circumstances, but it's hard to think of a situation where you should refuse an order from a flight attendant.

... but through no fault of your own, the order is to 'get off the flight'.

When you're already sitting on the goddamn plane? At that point United has to find another solution. Which I am 95% confident is the policy they will announce following this disaster.

Yeah, that was funny. Perhaps einbert has a point and maybe he was a noble doctor rushing to save lives. Or maybe he lied and is just a selfish jerk. The authoritarian problem here has nothing to do with whether he should gracefully give up his seat or not.

You should have been on that flight. When the guy refused to be noble and just get up the cop should have turned to you and said, "He's not complying. Here's my nightstick. Could you soften him up a bit?" If you bash him a few times that's more moral than your approving of and paying the cop to do it in my book.

And, just like Autocratic said. The auto-impulse to attack the dude in the seat and thus defend authority is; well he says conservative, but I'd say authoritarian.

Was the doctor given a warm-up beating with a nightstick? Just to be clear, I am definitely opposed to that if it happened. I watched the video, obviously, but it was unclear and I may have my facts wrong, which would be very embarrassing for me, so please do correct me if there was a preparatory beating before the passenger was removed. That would be an important fact.

Einbert putting on a clinic itt.

Re: United

Is there any other industry where you can be treated like that after you've paid for a service and done absolutely nothing wrong up until the point their security starts to get aggressive with you? If I go to the store, buy a carton of milk and on the way out, a security guard drags me to the ground after demanding that I hand over the carton because another employee wants some milk and the store has run out...

Why would that embarrass you? The issue seemed pretty clear cut from you in the beginning and had nothing to do with the level of force used on the passenger. He was belligerent and didn't comply with lawful orders. End of story. Anything that happens after that is his fault entirely.

The dude was not Rosa Parks, but this is just another way of saying "**** that guy who held up the plane. He got what was coming to him."

This was the point of that twitter thread I posted - normalization of micro-fascism or whatever.

Passengers/customers have implicit rights to be treated like human beings. Once the passengers are seated United simply has to find a better way to handle the situation.

For all the deserved bad rap social media has gotten this election cycle - it certainly shines in spots like this.

Oh geez. Being mistaken about my own beliefs is even more embarrassing than being mistaken about the facts. Thanks for setting me straight.

My post was actually another way of saying loleinbert.

Restaurant: sorry bro we're out of food
Patron: I'm not leaving until I get my food
Restaurant: bro we're out of food
Patron: I paid I want my food
Restaurant: here's your money back and a coupon, sorry come back tomorrow
Patron: NOT LEAVING GIVE ME FOOD

https://twitter.com/lukeoneil47/stat...01385719963648

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Just some absurd takes on the United situation in this thread and in the media-sphere. loleinbert indeed, shameful and embarrassing to reference Rosa Parks.

It would be more like you've been seated with your party, you've ordered your food, you're drinking your beverage, and all of a sudden the maitre'd comes and tells you you have to leave to make room for "higher class" customers. And then he calls the police who come beat you senseless when you protest.

Patron leaves the restaurant with blood pouring out of his face.

SenorKeeed: Hey, it wasn't his restaurant.