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04-02-2012 , 10:29 PM
This is getting ridiculous. Now anyone who is arrested can be strip searched no matter how minor the offense and in the complete absence of any reason to believe they are at all dangerous!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/us...e.html?_r=1&hp

Since I'm reasonably certain similarly absurd decisions are forthcoming, we can just save some forum space and make this the LOL Supreme Court thread.
04-02-2012 , 10:34 PM
OK I was about to post on this as well. Because people are flipping out about it.

I am having a hard time imagining any sort of prison system where inmates are not searched. Now I see how if this is extended to other areas it could be a problem. I can see where putting too many people in prison is a problem. I can see where wrongful arrests or detention is a problem. Full body search of a person admitted into the general population and an exemption for prisoners held separately... not a problem.
04-02-2012 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
This is getting ridiculous. Now anyone who is arrested can be strip searched no matter how minor the offense and in the complete absence of any reason to believe they are at all dangerous!
No. That is not what the decision says.
04-02-2012 , 10:37 PM
"The Supreme Court on Monday ruled by a 5-to-4 vote that officials may strip-search people arrested for any offense, however minor, before admitting them to jails even if the officials have no reason to suspect the presence of contraband."

Please defend the decision. This will be fun.
04-02-2012 , 10:42 PM
In this thread people will share conceivable hypotheticals that impact safety and use them to justify a holding that grants a blanket power to embarrassingly search people without even taking reasonable suspicions into account.
04-02-2012 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
"The Supreme Court on Monday ruled by a 5-to-4 vote that officials may strip-search people arrested for any offense, however minor, before admitting them to jails even if the officials have no reason to suspect the presence of contraband."

Please defend the decision. This will be fun.
before admitting them to jails i still don't understand how your advocating just letting anything and everything into a prison. You need to be outraged that people are jailed for minor offenses, but this ruling is totally logical.
04-02-2012 , 10:43 PM
I don't see the problem. So it's OK for the cops to grab your dick and balls they just can't look at them?
04-02-2012 , 10:46 PM
Is it okay to worry about this topic after we've dealt with being stripped searched simply for being detained for questioning?

http://shebshi.wordpress.com/2011/09...ed-in-detroit/
04-02-2012 , 10:47 PM
Look I have been arrested and held in general pop twice for a screw up in GAs records department. The first time I was searched, the second I wasn't. I was much more nervous the second. Cops wanna look up my bung hole so be it, I tried to fart but couldn't.
04-02-2012 , 10:47 PM
Yea, this is pretty standard **** dude.

People been getting strip searched in book-in since I been in the business.
04-02-2012 , 10:51 PM
Better question: Why did they hold a guy for a week for an allegedly unpaid fine?

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his arrest on a warrant for an unpaid fine, though the fine actually had been paid. Even if the warrant had been valid, failure to pay a fine is not a crime in New Jersey.
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The first strip search of Florence took place in the Burlington County Jail in southern New Jersey. Six days later, Florence had not received a hearing and remained in custody.
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Florence, who is African-American, had been stopped several times before, and he carried a letter to the effect that the fine, for fleeing a traffic stop several years earlier, had been paid.
Source
04-02-2012 , 10:51 PM
So basically we're at 'fondling your junk for your safety?' kewl.
04-02-2012 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
Yea, this is pretty standard **** dude.

People been getting strip searched in book-in since I been in the business.
Well, it's good to know they are upholding standards, regardless of how gross those standards have become.
04-02-2012 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Is it okay to worry about this topic after we've dealt with being stripped searched simply for being detained for questioning?

http://shebshi.wordpress.com/2011/09...ed-in-detroit/
LDO seriously people!
04-02-2012 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Better question: Why did they hold a guy for a week for an allegedly unpaid fine?
THIS ainec it's LOLobvios that your gonna get probed and deloused going into a prison but this guy should have never been there in the first place.
04-02-2012 , 10:56 PM
Is it not also true that a fair suspicion of contraband would quite often exist within the "people being jailed" group already? Or that there are less intrusive means to search the guy who didn't bag up his dog's **** in the park?

It's too easy to get tricked by "zomg safety its criminalzzz" in situations like this and forget how many sicko ****o *******s are out there that abuse this type of power.
04-02-2012 , 10:59 PM
We need a list of butthole searchable and non-searchable crimes in here so I can sneak drugs and cell phones in to my homies locked down.
04-02-2012 , 11:00 PM
Also, we need a thread title change to: Ruth Bader Ginsburg's List Of Butthole Searchable Crimes.
04-02-2012 , 11:04 PM
Guess OOT needs an "ask me about being a correctional intake officer" thread
04-02-2012 , 11:21 PM
Is this any arrest, or any arrest + addition to prison population? Can't see much of an argument at all for the former.
04-02-2012 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
Is this any arrest, or any arrest + addition to prison population? Can't see much of an argument at all for the former.
Arrest and placed in prison/jail general population.
04-02-2012 , 11:38 PM
I'm pretty anti-cop when it comes to any sort search/seizure type stuff, and I really can't see how people can be outraged over this. It's a matter of safety. I can't imagine ever going into a jail where only a percentage of the inmates were searched on arrival. By the time anyone ever gets to this point, they've already been handcuffed, manhandled, and unwillingly placed in a car and driven away. And people get all pissed off because someone wants to look under guys nutsacks before a whole bunch of them get locked in a giant room together with like 3 unarmed guards. WTF?

I'm really shocked this was even a 5-4 decision, and I'd be coming down on the side of the 4 in almost every other 5-4 case.
04-02-2012 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
I'm pretty anti-cop when it comes to any sort search/seizure type stuff, and I really can't see how people can be outraged over this. It's a matter of safety. I can't imagine ever going into a jail where only a percentage of the inmates were searched on arrival. By the time anyone ever gets to this point, they've already been handcuffed, manhandled, and unwillingly placed in a car and driven away. And people get all pissed off because someone wants to look under guys nutsacks before a whole bunch of them get locked in a giant room together with like 3 unarmed guards. WTF?
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But it was 5-4!?! Activist judges!! Leave the legislating for the Congress, rite?

Actually I agree entirely with the quoted paragraph.
04-02-2012 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NeBlis
I am having a hard time imagining any sort of prison system where inmates are not searched.
How many prison systems in the US don't strip search all incoming inmates as a matter of routine?
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
People been getting strip searched in book-in since I been in the business.
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Originally Posted by Riverman
So basically we're at 'fondling your junk for your safety?' kewl.
Just looking, no touching. But yeah, odd that security theatre is OK as long as it involves the humiliation of "criminals".
04-03-2012 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
I'm pretty anti-cop when it comes to any sort search/seizure type stuff, and I really can't see how people can be outraged over this. It's a matter of safety. I can't imagine ever going into a jail where only a percentage of the inmates were searched on arrival. By the time anyone ever gets to this point, they've already been handcuffed, manhandled, and unwillingly placed in a car and driven away. And people get all pissed off because someone wants to look under guys nutsacks before a whole bunch of them get locked in a giant room together with like 3 unarmed guards. WTF?

I'm really shocked this was even a 5-4 decision, and I'd be coming down on the side of the 4 in almost every other 5-4 case.
Even the dissenting opinion said it was alright sometimes

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Justice Stephen G. Breyer, writing for the four dissenters, said the strip-searches the majority allowed were “a serious affront to human dignity and to individual privacy” and should be used only when there was good reason to do so.

Justice Breyer said that the Fourth Amendment should be understood to bar strip-searches of people arrested for minor offenses not involving drugs or violence, unless officials had a reasonable suspicion that they were carrying contraband.
This just applies for people being admitted in jail. Not sure why people are getting in such a huff over this.

      
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