Lol so if their occupation isnt common enough then group them by skin colour/nationality.

What I have a problem with is the implication that men of Asian origin are more likely to groom and abuse children, which is the conclusion that you, and your fellow travellers at the sun newspaper are trying to assert without sounding like Enoch Powell, or worse.
It is the 2017 equivalent of saying black people have smaller brains and wanting empirical evidence to the contrary before being satisfied.

Show me a piece which argues to the contrary. One liner innuendo tweets dont count, neither do links to far right white supremacist sites. Or Sarah Champion.

Well-researched argument = peer reviewed

That's certainly not what I am arguing, although I can't speak for others.

What I'm arguing is that these gangs of men appear to be abusing girls on the basis of their ethnicity. They are disproportionately selecting white girls to rape, and not abusing Pakistani, Asian, Hispanic, black or other demographics who are from the same population sample.

This behaviour is the very essence of racism.

What I'm also arguing is that there needs to be a proper enquiry into Rotherham, Newcastle, etc - precisely because there appears to be very little reliable evidence.

With no reliable evidence to base opinions, people will base their views on their newspaper/blogger/tweeter of choice, which will obviously just perpetuate their existing beliefs.

I'm not saying that, the data is saying that. Better data might show this in a different light however, but the result is statistically significant despite how much you want to dismiss it.

I'm trying to keep an open mind as to what the cause is. My view is there is a secondary cultural factor that makes it more likely, whether that is attitudes towards women and the male role in the family, or likelihood to report crimes or whatever, that is more prevalent in certain cultures.

Do you think you can make any judgment about a group of people based on a single criteria? You don't seem to have a problem doing it for men or tories.

Possibly, and possibly not.

If white families in the area aren't as closely knitted and their children allowed more freedom to roam than other ethnicities, their daughters will be easier targets for people like this.

^ A hypothesis that is both reasonable and testable. Although not one i suspect would stand up to empirical scrutiny.

Hence the need for an official enquiry.

The existence of such hypotheses is the reason we don't go around citing racism as the reason for criminal activity until the hypotheses have been tested.

True, but that's exactly what the abusers think. White girls, in the abusers' view, have it coming. The abusers didn't pick on white girls at random. If it's white girls -- people outside the ambit of family honour in the abusers' own culture -- then the abusers allow themselves an element of self-excusal.

The point about Tories was an example of a possible connection when describing alleged abuse by pedo rings around the thatcher govt. You dont get articles in the sun demanding honest debates about tory culture. It would be wrong to do so. So why is it ok for minority ethnic groups?

99.9% of these crimes are carried out by men, theres no question. So there is a problem with male priviledge, gender power structures, family hierarchies etc. This is a problem that is spread across all cultures, nationalities etc.
You say that Asian people are over represented in the data. There are possible reasons already mentioned in the thread. Further, there could be proportionally more reporting of Asian people, more follow up by police for these groups.

The point about cultures/male role etc, child abuse happens in all kinds of families, communities. To talk about cultural differences is unhelpful at best. To challenge abuse the root causes have to be addressed, not this diversion.

True, but modern cultural differences between communities means that a disproportionately high number of girls that age mucking around on the streets will be white, and probably more of them will be open to trying the drink and drugs supplied by their abusers, which is what I meant by "easier targets".

Perhaps, but when you have direct evidence from victims that the perpetrators:

Then it doesn't look good. This is just one example of many that suggest a racist element to the crime.

If people has not joined the dots for Stephen Lawrence, then his family would never have received the justice they deserved.

I mean, this is just guesswork. What evidence do you have that there are more white girls "mucking around on the streets" than black girls? or Asian girls??

This kind of stereotyping is in itself racist.

What evidence is there for any opinions you've posted?

It shouldn't come as news to you that English family structures have changed enormously over the past few decades, becoming more fragmented and geographically dispersed (as jobs disappeared and people had to move to find work), with kids commonly being left to fend for themselves while the parent or parents are still at work after school hours, and that this happens more in poor areas where households can't afford nannies.

To clear this up, if those are the victims' statements then of course it clearly points to racism being involved in the selection of the victims.

Here is the full article for the quote I posted. There is no mention that the perpetrators only wanted girls who hung around, or drank, smoked, or took drugs - they were selecting in this case purely by skin colour.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/...ictim-princess

English family structures have changed, but that still does not explain why the perpetrators selected victims by skin colour as opposed to a random sample of the available low-SES demographic, which in the areas the abuse took place, would have included a lower percentage of white ethnicity than the national average.

It seems likely to me that men capable of committing crimes like these would see white girls as trophy victims, and would seek them out not only for their higher social status but also for their greater availability due to the type of breakdown in family structures (and frankly just terrible parenting) that I posted about ie "her adoptive mother ...contacting the council when [she] was 12 years old and starting to stay out all night, returning home drunk and dishevelled".

As an aside, how many 12 year old Asian girls are allowed to stay out all night drinking?

EDIT: To be clear again because I don't want to be mistaken for someone who blames victims or their parents for crimes committed against them, the previous sentence was related only to the population breakdown of young girls on the streets late at night, unaccompanied by adults.

But this is a UK Politics thread, and the behaviour of some parents leaves me aghast.

.... Shaista Gohir, chair of the network, based in Birmingham. "What we discovered is that these sexual predators will target any girls who are vulnerable and accessible, regardless of their background, ethnicity or faith."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-white-victims

Article is pretty shocking btw.

Spread equally across all cultures? The possible reasons mentioned go nowhere near explaining it, learn about statistical testing.

I agree the root causes have to be addressed, but analysis of data will allow them to be identified first. Examining statistically significant correlations on that data is what's necessary to achieve that, and your dismissive hand waving is stopping it.

How does this relate to Rotherham, Newcastle, etc?

Because its about child abuse in the UK obv.

It's a little ironic that the article actually implies that child abuse by Asians is even more widespread than the conviction rate would have us believe, moreso than it is for whites.

Of course it is more widespread. Same as for reporting of rape and rape convictions.
Point is this has f all to do with skin colour and everything to do with the failure of police and LAs to protect vulnerable youngsters. Its the gutter rags and their intellectual equivalents diverting attention elsewhere.

Yeah I realise that.

So how does it relate to Rotherham?

Because the assumptions being made in this thread aren't specific to one city/area. Children of all backgrounds could potentially be at risk. Tbh I'm not entirely sure what (and why) your point is about this. You have made (by proxy) a horrible statement injecting racial tension into a situation that should be about vulnerable children going through terrible abuse and not being believed by police and other agencies. It is the job of government to hold the police to account, yet the minister you quoted wants to deflect responsibility onto minority ethnic groups. It's just lowest common denominator race card stuff.

Oh yeah then you actually mentioned Stephen Lawrence. If you had any clue at all about this you would be slamming the police for continued failure to protect the vulnerable.

Funnily enough the article you posted is claiming it is about skin colour, or ethnicity to be more precise. Everyone knows child abuse is under reported but that article claims it's even moreso within the Asian community, hence the reason all these cases seem to be Asians etc raping white girls, instead of those from their own community, as those cases almost always go unreported due to cultural issues. The conclusion then can only be that cases of child abuse by asians make up a higher percentage of the total cases than we thought. Either that or the article is incorrect. It's one or the other