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06-23-2017 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jeccross
You're right, you could say that. It would be irrelevant and would add nothing to the discussion, but that doesn't seem to bother you.
Unless in another thread you were banging on about your slam dunk prowess against a 7 footer like me.
This is going nowhere so I'll leave it now.
06-23-2017 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Habsfan09
Well I was preparing some arguments but it would fall on deaf ears anyway. So I just ask "On what do you base your certainty that it wont be worse?". I mean there are already signs that the UK economy slowed down, that prices went up and that consumption went down because of uncertainty about the future.
Uncertainty about the future is no reason not to change things. Sometimes you have to walk away from a bad relationship or arrangement without knowing what the future holds.
06-23-2017 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
This is going nowhere so I'll leave it now.
Good, you've caught up finally, i'm hoping that refers to the insults too.
06-23-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Habsfan09
Well I was preparing some arguments but it would fall on deaf ears anyway. So I just ask "On what do you base your certainty that it wont be worse?". I mean there are already signs that the UK economy slowed down, that prices went up and that consumption went down because of uncertainty about the future.
I felt like on balance an unstoppable EU would be a bigger negative than an exited EU.

There's little good-quality certainty on either side, but that's no reason for a status-quo bias. We need to fall back on macro strategic concepts.

This is a poker forum, we should be able to make a +EV decision without being paralysed because we don't have 'certainty'.

One thing we can be certain about, when an organisation publishes an economic forecast delta for a several year plus timescale using a 0.1%pt accuracy, they are FOS and that's a marketing document not evidence.
06-23-2017 , 11:24 AM
Oh, and my GDP per capita belief I got from reading the BOE forecast. They made some very awkward assumptions about population and earnings in order to make it negative, so I think its fair to assume that one will be OK even in the short term.
06-23-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexdb
Oh, and my GDP per capita belief I got from reading the BOE forecast. They made some very awkward assumptions about population and earnings in order to make it negative, so I think its fair to assume that one will be OK even in the short term.
Just lol, so much lol.
06-23-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexdb
Oh, and my GDP per capita belief I got from reading the BOE forecast. They made some very awkward assumptions about population and earnings in order to make it negative, so I think its fair to assume that one will be OK even in the short term.
Are you saying that the BoE deliberately used unrealistic assumptions in order to end up with a negative figure? I've not followed the debate, but if this is what you are really saying then it needs to be pointed out quite how ridiculous this is.

If you think otherwise then perhaps put forward your evidence - and perhaps also comment on what you think their objective for doing this is how the governance structure of the BoE lets this happen
06-23-2017 , 12:53 PM
Lets us not forget UK first quarter growth 2017 = 0.1% (0.4% 1qtr 2016).

UK is the currently the worst performing economy in the G7.
06-23-2017 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexdb
It is very hard to believe that starting trading with EU on WTO, ROW on whatever better deals we can close, could ever be materially worse than EU single market + ROW on WTO, 20+ years down the line, i.e. the timescale this decision should be made on.
Honesty, I don't understand what you mean by this. You can't see why negotiating deals is generally better if you bring more clout to the table?

As for the timescale being made on looking 20 years ahead, why on earth would you try to do this? You seem to acknowledge that you can't even predict a single country's GDP one year ahead. Even if you do think that the EU may turn out to disadvantageous 20 odd years ahead, then it doesn't seem overly sensible to leave now on that (very uncertain) premise.
06-23-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jeccross
Good, you've caught up finally, i'm hoping that refers to the insults too.
To be fair you do ask for it.
In the words of that famous philosopher Jamie Vardy - "chat **** - get banged"
06-24-2017 , 11:45 AM


An honest and decent man.
06-24-2017 , 11:47 AM
epc - what are some of the things you dislike about Corbyn the person, Corbyn's leadership & Corbyn's policies?
06-24-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
epc - what are some of the things you dislike about Corbyn the person, Corbyn's leadership & Corbyn's policies?
Wants to talk with people that want to kill
06-24-2017 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jeccross
You know I'm not pro Brexit, right?
Are you aware you're a terrible liar?
06-24-2017 , 12:03 PM
Great speech from Corbyn at Glastonbury. Particularly enjoyed seeing him call out Trump: "Build bridges not walls."

I'd be so proud of my country if we elected someone who would actually stand up to that despicable piece of human garbage.
06-24-2017 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
epc - what are some of the things you dislike about Corbyn the person, Corbyn's leadership & Corbyn's policies?
Well I'm no fan of adultery or diane abbott so there are two strikes.
I think he's growing into a leadership he never thought he'd get and has made a few mistakes along the way. Not keeping Abbott in a box the main one but again that attests to his principles and loyalty.
As a transformational rather than transactional leader he was always going to have to deal with internal party discord and that played right into the hands of those wishing to paint him as incompetent and without support.
Not having a more professional and slick team around him could have limited this. Thankfully the campaign and election have brought the party together (even if some are now behind him through gritted teeth) and dispelled the myths.
What he has accomplished in changing the direction of the party and hopefully british politics can't be denied and it's been done not just against the weight of a truly vile media and conservative campaign but also without the help of some of the more media friendly members of the PLP.
All that's in the past now
Policy wise - well for one I'd scrap trident but I recognise that's a necessary compromise. I wouldn't scrap tuition fees either but would reduce them and offer ways of discounting what you owe - example join the NHS, teaching, emergency services etc and receive some reduction for each year you serve.
06-24-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Wants to talk with people that want to kill
Says the man with the Get Carter pic.

Better just to let the killing carry on?
06-24-2017 , 01:03 PM
I did not know Corbyn was an adulterer. Not a fan of adultery but not my biggest problem w Corbyn. Surprised you are opposed to scrapping tuition fees. If Corbyn ever (heaven help us) became Prime Minister imo there's a good chance he would scrap Trident. It's clearly very important to him. Who knows. Hopefully that never happens (Corbyn becoming Prime Minister - I'm partial to scrapping Trident).
06-24-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
Says the man with the Get Carter pic.

Better just to let the killing carry on?
Better to make clear you aren't going to just roll over at the drop of a hat. Allowing violence to fast track the aims of someone's political beliefs is a terrible approach
06-24-2017 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Better to make clear you aren't going to just roll over at the drop of a hat. Allowing violence to fast track the aims of someone's political beliefs is a terrible approach
Sometimes I think you're an nth level troll.

What's your opinion on our relationship with Saudi Arabia?



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06-24-2017 , 01:52 PM
You disagree?
06-24-2017 , 02:00 PM
So you believe we should never enter dialogue to end hostilities or that we should just do it at a faster pace if no one is being killed?
06-24-2017 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
Better just to let the killing carry on?
No, Corbyn was seriously and narcissistically out of line there. HMG's position since 1972 was always that they would talk to Sinn Fein -- provided the IRA stopped killing people. The position of Corbyn and his kind was that the government should cease to govern and should roll over and agree to anything the killers wanted, even while they were killing.

The government won. Corbyn and the IRA lost. That's how that worked out.
06-24-2017 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No, Corbyn was seriously and narcissistically out of line there. HMG's position since 1972 was always that they would talk to Sinn Fein -- provided the IRA stopped killing people. The position of Corbyn and his kind was that the government should cease to govern and should roll over and agree to anything the killers wanted, even while they were killing.

The government won. Corbyn and the IRA lost. That's how that worked out.
Could you point me in the direction of some evidence for that please?
Corbyn was always of the position that an end to the troubles would come through dialogue and nurturing mutual solidarity which proved to be the case.
Remember thatcher always made the inflammatory claim that the IRA were just a cover for criminal enterprise - referring to Bobby sands as a "convicted criminal" in the commons.
I'm old enough to remember that period quite well.

HMG abandoned that stance didn't they?
06-24-2017 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
So you believe we should never enter dialogue to end hostilities or that we should just do it at a faster pace if no one is being killed?
Enter dialogue once killing or threat of killing stops, and party involved proves genuineness.

And dont go to an event celebrating killers.

      
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