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06-21-2017 , 09:56 AM

#8451

SootedPowa

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BBC reporting that the DUP's price for propping up the cons is £2bn

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-norther...itics-40347632.

£2bn just so Disaster May can keep her job for a few months.

Last edited by SootedPowa; 06-21-2017 at 09:58 AM. Reason: it appears the magic money tree has been found

06-21-2017 , 10:19 AM

#8452

tomdemaine

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If she keeps her job for 6 weeks then it's £350 million a week. I think ive seen that figure somehwere before. Some kind of transport vehicle...

06-21-2017 , 10:32 AM

#8453

jeccross

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

The decision is reversible.

What do you think would have lengthened the odds that Brexit was a complete **** up? It seems you think had May had a stronger majority and strengthened her position domestically that would translate to her position wrt Brexit negotiations being stronger and I'm not sure why.

I wish it was reversible. I can't see a way out of it though that doesn't involve angering 52% of the population and result in Farage as an MP. Happy for you to paint a picture of a good outcome that I can hope for though.

Because she now has to consider multiple views on the approach to take. It's the same reason why the markets think there is more chance of a soft Brexit and appear to be reacting vaguely positively. There probably is more chance of a soft Brexit, but I also think that going into negotiations without a clear picture of what we want means we're going to get shafted.

06-21-2017 , 10:35 AM

#8454

BOIDS

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only real difference imo is that there's now a greater chance of the govt crashing down and labour getting in

3 months to go for negotiations to be finalised, lots of stuff agreed, bam jeremy corbyn's mates turns up with different negotiation aims and priorities and you have to pretty much go over everything again. problem

but on balance i think this is better than a big tory landslide and MANDATE FOR HARD BREXIT

06-21-2017 , 10:55 AM

#8455

jeccross

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BOIDS

but on balance i think this is better than a big tory landslide and MANDATE FOR HARD BREXIT

Were they really asking for that though? I always thought the "no deal is better than a bad deal" was an empty threat.

I don't really care what Brexit we get, as long as it's not a **** brexit.

06-21-2017 , 11:53 AM

#8456

dereds

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeccross

There was never clear view on what they wanted from brexit. Her reason for going to the polls was specifically to prevent her having to take account of the various views present within the conservative party, largely because the views of the eurosceptics and europhiles are irreconcilable. Now you can argue that she could have taken a more moderate line but that doesn't seem consistent with the pre election posturing.

06-21-2017 , 11:54 AM

#8457

Csaba

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

Do you think people should be members of a political party?

My gran used to be a member of the Conservative party. She cancelled her membership over some of the **** that Thatcher pulled. There's nothing wrong with being a member of a party as long as you don't take their side unquestioningly.

06-21-2017 , 11:57 AM

#8458

dereds

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Originally Posted by Csaba

I've never suggested taking a side unquestioningly what I would argue that if you consider some version of socialism correct then you are probably better served working for change within the Labour party than you are joining the Tories over the **** that Blair pulled.

06-21-2017 , 12:01 PM

#8459

jeccross

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dereds

She also could have just not ****ed up the non Brexit parts of the campaign entirely.

I am interested if you can paint a picture of how Brexit is reversible that doesn't end in anarchy from the 52%.

06-21-2017 , 12:03 PM

#8460

dereds

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Yep, her main problem apart from the whole Brexit thing being incredibly complicated and no one who campaigned for it having a view what it would look like is that the politicians in favour are largely ****ing terrible, unsurprisingly, and so her negotiating team are dumb as ****.

06-21-2017 , 12:31 PM

#8461

epcfast

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Originally Posted by dereds

Is the correct answer.

06-21-2017 , 12:54 PM

#8462

epcfast

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Great speech for Mr Corbyn

06-21-2017 , 12:54 PM

#8463

PartyGirlUK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeccross

She also could have just not ****ed up the non Brexit parts of the campaign entirely.

I am interested if you can paint a picture of how Brexit is reversible that doesn't end in anarchy from the 52%.

Most of the 52% didn't feel very strongly about it. Exiting the European Union was not a big issue of interest but for a wing of the Conservative party + a few others. Plus the 52% lean old, they're not going to riot. It would get reversed after a second referendum making it to some degree democratic.

06-21-2017 , 02:01 PM

#8464

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06-21-2017 , 02:17 PM

#8465

jalfrezi

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Christ. And people complained about Diane Abbott's interviews, but at least she had a genuine illness that was affecting her performance.

06-21-2017 , 02:21 PM

#8466

BOIDS

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lol @ comparing that to abbottgate

06-21-2017 , 02:26 PM

#8467

tomj

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Quote:

Originally Posted by epcfast

Brilliant.
This isn't just Boris the buffoon, this is reflective of a govt with zero legitimacy to rule. Every significant policy is ditched, as predicted, the only thing left is brexit which is in fact the most controversial on the Tory side.

06-21-2017 , 02:28 PM

#8468

epcfast

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Can't wait for RTJ featuring JC at the weekend

06-21-2017 , 02:31 PM

#8469

tomj

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BOIDS

lol @ comparing that to abbottgate

Don't know which way you're leaning tbh. Forgetting the detail of a policy <<<<< forgetting everything.

06-21-2017 , 02:31 PM

#8470

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BOIDS

lol @ comparing that to abbottgate

Eh?

It's about ten times worse.

06-21-2017 , 02:47 PM

#8471

BOIDS

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behave yourselves lads

he doesn't have the answer to the first question, is audibly looking through his notes so he can answer it, finds the relevant bit and then mair goes on a 90 second monologue and doesn't let his guest get two words out

06-21-2017 , 02:50 PM

#8472

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BOIDS

You one of Boris's ****? How does he like his crumpet toasted?

This is horribly biased jumping through the hoops perspective on that interview, just wtf????