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05-23-2017 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Man i understand the impulse to stop campaigning but I feel like we should all carry on regardless. Shouldn't let these extremist ****s dictate to us.
Agree
05-23-2017 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
The sun posted then deleted last night that it happened because Corbyn supported the IRA
Prepare yourself for two weeks of the most spectacular misinformation in the history of the British press.
05-23-2017 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Man i understand the impulse to stop campaigning but I feel like we should all carry on regardless. Shouldn't let these extremist ****s dictate to us.
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Agree
Though at the same time that's easy for me to say. I haven't lost anyone.
05-23-2017 , 07:40 AM
I think it's a bit more cynical than you are suggesting. They know full well that if they squabble about where the cap on the dementia tax is or about single market access then they will look like heartless bastards.
05-23-2017 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Perhaps have the dignity to wait a while before using this as a political football.
Major terrorist incidents happen within Europe on an almost monthly basis.

Counter-terrorism and homeland security is a real political issue, just like the economy, the NHS and so on. People have every right to hold their potential leaders to account on the subject and indeed, to vote accordingly.
05-23-2017 , 08:41 AM
That's an absurd strawman
05-23-2017 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AppleCrumble
Major terrorist incidents happen within Europe on an almost monthly basis.

Counter-terrorism and homeland security is a real political issue, just like the economy, the NHS and so on. People have every right to hold their potential leaders to account on the subject and indeed, to vote accordingly.
It isn't a real political issue.

It is very sad for the victims and their families and I hope they receive all the assistance they can.

For the rest of us it is a total irrelevance in terms of how it affects us directly, a completely insignificant source of mortality somewhere below lightning strikes. It is far more sensible to treat it as the act of petty criminals and ignore it. It is only media sensationalism that makes people think otherwise.

Giving the petty criminals in question free publicity and diverting resources away from more productive areas of governance is the worst possible thing to do.
05-23-2017 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GBV
It isn't a real political issue.

It is very sad for the victims and their families and I hope they receive all the assistance they can.

For the rest of us it is a total irrelevance in terms of how it affects us directly, a completely insignificant source of mortality somewhere below lightning strikes. It is far more sensible to treat it as the act of petty criminals and ignore it. It is only media sensationalism that makes people think otherwise.

Giving the petty criminals in question free publicity and diverting resources away from more productive areas of governance is the worst possible thing to do.
Okeydokey.

You take option 1) Act as if nothing happened and possibly even make a concerted, possibly even state-enforced effort to cover things up.

I'll take option 2) Do something about it which, without being too draconian, does indeed prioritise the safety and security of British citizens above the sensitivities of a religion.

We'll see who's more popular.
05-23-2017 , 09:11 AM
Popular does not equal right.
05-23-2017 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by AppleCrumble
Okeydokey.

You take option 1) Act as if nothing happened and possibly even make a concerted, possibly even state-enforced effort to cover things up.

I'll take option 2) Do something about it which, without being too draconian, does indeed prioritise the safety and security of British citizens above the sensitivities of a religion.

We'll see who's more popular.
Without explaining what 'do something about it' means, this post is meaningless. What are you proposing?
05-23-2017 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Kafja
Without explaining what 'do something about it' means, this post is meaningless. What are you proposing?

Something like this I would imagine:

05-23-2017 , 09:50 AM
Damn she's a cretin. She knows what exactly what she's doing with her wording there.
05-23-2017 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
Something like this I would imagine:

Quite. Seeing a lot of the 'why won't we do something about this' crowd out today on twitter and reddit. It's either just impotent anger where they don't actually know what 'do something' means, or code for round up all the Muslims and put them in camps.
05-23-2017 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
I think it's a bit more cynical than you are suggesting. They know full well that if they squabble about where the cap on the dementia tax is or about single market access then they will look like heartless bastards.
Sort of except it's probably not cynical, at times like these everything else seems unimportant for a while. We shouldn't dehumanise our politicians so much - not even the ones we don't like.

They could force themselves to carry on regardless but the media isn't going to report on it much anyway. Normal business will resume shortly.
05-23-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
Something like this I would imagine:



It's either just impotent anger where they don't actually know what 'do something' means, or code for round up all the Muslims and put them in camps.
'Final solution' is not exactly an obscure code. Hopefully the police will nab her for a hate crime.
05-23-2017 , 10:17 AM
Might be enough for LBC to give her the boot too.
05-23-2017 , 10:22 AM
I'm glad i have the freedom of speech to call her an evil, hateful c**t who should shut the **** up and **** the **** off.

Last edited by tomdemaine; 05-23-2017 at 10:32 AM.
05-23-2017 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AppleCrumble
Okeydokey.

You take option 1) Act as if nothing happened and possibly even make a concerted, possibly even state-enforced effort to cover things up.

I'll take option 2) Do something about it which, without being too draconian, does indeed prioritise the safety and security of British citizens above the sensitivities of a religion.

We'll see who's more popular.
This is painful to read. "Cover things up" wtf does that even mean? There is no way of dying in the UK that leads to more publicity, literally no way.

Before stating things like that do some research. Do you even know how many deaths there are in the UK each year (~500k), or how terrorism deaths in Europe in recent years compares to previous decades? Why not look up how many people die in the UK from falls each year (around 5k I believe) or commit suicide (around 5k-6k I believe). Or, you could keep reading the Daily Mail or whatever crap you read and have no perspective whatsoever.

Note that I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a focus on preventing these incidents, or course there should, but that's not political.
05-23-2017 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
'Final solution' is not exactly an obscure code. Hopefully the police will nab her for a hate crime.
It's been reported to them but I doubt it will go anywhere.

It's really hard to imagine how anyone can be as vile as she is. Pure filth.
05-23-2017 , 11:20 AM
these events always make me think about how lackluster the european portion of the worldwide caliphate movement is. 500 dead in 15 years

genghis khan managed that before breakfast
05-23-2017 , 11:22 AM
Suggestion for a 'measured' response:

Like Remembrance Sunday we have Atonement Sunday - a day when all religious institutions are compulsorily closed and silent. No bells, no call to prayer, no Songs of Praise on the BBC.

A time to remember the victims of religious violence everywhere, ceremony somewhere, solemn words, a day for the religious to STFU and quietly contemplate the millions that have died in the name of their faith and at their hands.

Also, while we're at it - can we get a secular Bank Holiday? A celebration of rationality, of science, of actual proof and all that is wonderful about not believing in some nebulous, capricious creator complete with afterlife.

Well overdue on both these anyway.
05-23-2017 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DTD
It's really hard to imagine how anyone can be as vile as she is. Pure filth.
No, the pure filth already blew himself up today. Perspective duh.
05-23-2017 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
these events always make me think about how lackluster the european portion of the worldwide caliphate movement is. 500 dead in 15 years

genghis khan managed that before breakfast
The IRA could teach these jokers a thing or two.
05-23-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
No, the pure filth already blew himself up today. Perspective duh.
The pure filth blew himself up? I guess everyone is safe then. Unless, that is, people who don't actually blow themselves up but stoke up more hatred and nationalistic tub thumping create a world where more people get murdered.
05-23-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AppleCrumble
Okeydokey.

You take option 1) Act as if nothing happened and possibly even make a concerted, possibly even state-enforced effort to cover things up.

I'll take option 2) Do something about it which, without being too draconian, does indeed prioritise the safety and security of British citizens above the sensitivities of a religion.

We'll see who's more popular.
Oh I know which one is more popular because we've had twenty years of moronic sentiments like the one above.

You might observe that "doing something" has resulted in the spectacular growth of Islamic extremism from literally a few dozen committed people to a global movement. But hey! more petrol on the bonfire, that'll work.

      
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