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04-23-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
Jesus, just drop it. No one cares.
Great to see you have come back from your ban still No1 woat poster itt, which really takes some doing.
04-23-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
Jesus, just drop it. No one cares.
In case you were wondering, his opinion carries about 10x the weight yours does ITT.
04-23-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
In case you were wondering, his opinion carries about 10x the weight yours does ITT.
Yeah I'm sure his bloke-down-the-pub horse***t fascinates you.
04-23-2017 , 04:41 PM
Jesus, has your ban taught you nothing?
04-23-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
The contortions you have to go through in your blind defence of Corbyn are almost painful to read. Poor Jeremy, nothing's ever his fault
'Blind defence' lol. What is there to defend against? What did he say that you disagree with? I was pointing out the clearly partisan approach of the media, the BBC in particular, which is a common theme I am keen to point out the double standards as they occur and the clear anti-Corbyn bias consistently demonstrated in the media.

Once again you comment on the man without ever actually arguing anything of substance.
04-23-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
So UKIP are aligning with the ****asses in the French and German mainstream political parties.

You do realise the EU are basically endorsing this clearly racist behaviour, right? And have been doing so for years.
Yes the EU court of justice has said it is OK to ban burqa's in the workplace, it's a stretch to say that's the same thing as an outright ban to make foreigners assimilate.

Don't be so dishonest.
04-23-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Great to see you have come back from your ban still No1 woat poster itt, which really takes some doing.
Touched a nerve with the Butthurt remainer did I?
04-23-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Yes the EU court of justice has said it is OK to ban burqa's in the workplace, it's a stretch to say that's the same thing as an outright ban to make foreigners assimilate.

Don't be so dishonest.
Ok, must remember you agree with burkah bans. Tells me all I need to know.
04-23-2017 , 06:41 PM
You're making stuff up and maybe even projecting a little.
04-23-2017 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
You're making stuff up and maybe even projecting a little.
Sounds like one of those alt-righters who thinks everyone on the left is secretly racist because they are. Constantly clutching at piss-weak /non-existent evidence of left-wing racism.
04-23-2017 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
UKIP want to ban veils/burqas

Definetly not a racist party.

Shame on you who voted for them.
Course its not racist.

A veil is an item of clothing that conceals your face. That's all.

Many people would like to get rid.

I wouldn't vote for them but its not a racist policy.
04-23-2017 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I hope you enjoyed your time here. I guess it can't have been too bad if you still follow UK events.

How's life in Chile? And is Sanchez going to stay? 😀
Chile is weird. We took a huge boost of quality in life during the 90s and we are still kinda living from that boom.

Chile follows political patterns more related to the european parlamentary politics. A clear centre-right, a clear centre-left. All the other south american countries deviate from that pattern. However the chilean political class is inherently corrupt so as a result it has neglected some very important aspects so I expect the country to degenerate into chaos soon because we have an awful pension system which will increase people living a poverty and at the same time we are having a lot of immigration on an incredibly racist country( Chile is not used to foreigners because we are literally the last part of the world and we have strong geographical barriers, Trump would be jealous if he knew chilean geography).

Our next goverment will be lead by a corrupt right wing businessmen which wont resolve any structural problem. The future of our country depends on how good the left wing president we eventually choose ends up being at politics. Unfortunaly the masses are horrible at picking presidents because unless you have been actually involved in politics you miss the small details so its a russian roulette.

With regards to Alexis Sanchez, I trust the english media more than the chilean one for that stuff, I dont know whether he will stay or leave. I hope he goes to another league because Im a big Liverpool fan ( unfortunaly given that it looks like we are going to throw another CL qualification away for the second straight year running).
04-23-2017 , 11:28 PM
What I said about Chile future with regards of picking a left wing leader kinda applies to the Labour party.

The problem Corbyn has is not that he is left wing per se, the problem that left wing projects are always hard because they put a lot of pressure on the establishment so they take a lot of pressure. In order for these projects to work you need very strong leadership. You need to pick your battles and make strategic concessions. For instance Corbyn proposing unilateral disarmament is just awful. The correct play would have been something like promising to push a multilateral disarmament and pledge to keep the military budget under control. He needs to make May reckless, point out how militarism has unnecessarily escalated conflicts, make May pay a ****ing political cost, install the topic in a way she has to choose between keeping her ******ed xenophobic base happy or making sense to the undecided voter. But no, instead he decides to look like a ****ing hippy. If he cant handle those basic issues how do you expect him to handle Brexit correctly?

Val expert political tip: While my main area of expertise are important students council elections, I think the principle holds true for actual politics.
1) See which is the voting target of your opponents.
2) Look for the main conflicts within those groups of voters.
3) Install topics that will create conflicts within those group of voters.

At the same time protect yourself from your opponent doing that to you.

Trump is expert at this. Defend O Reilly on Twitter. That divides the feminist vegan that lives in California from the working class dude from Ohio. Corbyn is just awful at this.

Last edited by valenzuela; 04-23-2017 at 11:34 PM.
04-24-2017 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
You're making stuff up and maybe even projecting a little.
What was I making up? ECHR uphold burkah bans, and have done for years. France have done it for years, and Germany want to do it, IIRR. And it's not just workplace, you know that.

Last edited by diebitter; 04-24-2017 at 01:15 AM.
04-24-2017 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GBV
Touched a nerve with the Butthurt remainer did I?
lol.

You dont touch nerves you just make absolutely contentless **** posts.
04-24-2017 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AppleCrumble
Course its not racist.

A veil is an item of clothing that conceals your face. That's all.

Many people would like to get rid.

I wouldn't vote for them but its not a racist policy.
It's only not racist if you don't believe Islamophobia is a form of racism. This policy targets Muslims, Muslim women in particular and therefore is also oppressive against women ie. the state interfering in what a woman should wear. The debate has been had before in France where I think some form of a ban was passed though I can't recall exactly what happened. Some on the left unfortunately provided cover for the extreme right by arguing that Muslim women are oppressed by Muslim men for having to cover themselves. This missed the point entirely, it is not for others to decide what women should wear or for the state to ban, many women choose to wear a veil. The fact is that bans don't work anyway, people will practice their religion regardless. The point is to heighten racial tensions, whip up fear and hatred of Muslims by shifting the debate to the right which provides further space for the far right to occupy. Which is exactly what the vermin Nuttall is trying to achieve here. Seriously of all the issues concerning people, how is what some women choose to wear even close to a relevant political issue unless it fits a general anti-muslim narrative.

Now for the hypocrisy of this argument. Let's ban weddings where women wear veils. Let's enforce a law for transparent motorcycle helmets. Ban caps and hats. Enforce people to look directly at CCTV all the time. Fancy dress parties? Banned. Halloween? Banned. Beards which conceal too many facial features? Banned. Crazy tattoo guys with faces covered? Etc etc..
04-24-2017 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AppleCrumble
Course its not racist.

A veil is an item of clothing that conceals your face. That's all.

Many people would like to get rid.

I wouldn't vote for them but its not a racist policy.
Don't you think it's a strange coincidence that this non-racist policy related to the safety requirements of seeing peoples faces is exactly the same policy that every single racist wants to implement to **** with muslims? Odd that there's an exact crossover between vital safety policy and stuff all racists want.
04-24-2017 , 06:31 AM
Here's how I see this election.

Every Corbyn policy I've heard is either downright stupid or fundamentally evil.

The lib Dems only policy is remain in the EU. And that homosexual acts are sinful, but I doubt that will be the "official party line".

UKIP don't seem to have a consistent policy on anything besides immigration, on which I gather they aren't so keen.

The conservatives are moving towards the centre left in a pure power grab, touting policies like caps on free market prices, refusing to rule out tax rises and potentially softening their brexit stance.

The SNP are done, their play of asking for indyref2 has backfired as it has no public support and the crazy lefties they were courting in the new labour days can now vote labour. But I live in Oxfordshire and they tend not to contest this seat.

Not a great bunch to pick from so I guess I hold my nose and vote tory, hoping the true conservatives in the party can keep the Blairites in check. Shame there isn't a proper free market globalist alternative.

Sad state of affairs.
04-24-2017 , 06:40 AM
I'll give you 0.5/5 for accuracy there.
04-24-2017 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
I'll give you 0.5/5 for accuracy there.
Do enlighten me
04-24-2017 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LittlePigeon
Do enlighten me
I suspect that is not possible.
04-24-2017 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
I suspect that is not possible.
I guess we'll never know
04-24-2017 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Ok, must remember you agree with burkah bans. Tells me all I need to know.
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Originally Posted by diebitter
What was I making up? ECHR uphold burkah bans, and have done for years. France have done it for years, and Germany want to do it, IIRR. And it's not just workplace, you know that.
Made up nonsense.

Fantastic for the likes of you that someone having a racist ban in place means you can justify implementing the same racist ban of your own.

You're a lousy ****.

Last edited by unwantedguest; 04-24-2017 at 07:20 AM. Reason: Going to bat for burqa ban, lol you've let the mask slip.
04-24-2017 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Made up nonsense.

Fantastic for the likes of you that someone having a racist ban in place means you can justify implementing the same racist ban of your own.

You're a lousy ****.
So explain the burkini ban if it's all about workplace?

And what did I make up? Merkel was advocating burkah bans months ago. Frnace have done it for years. Are you an idiot who can't check these things yourself?

PS I'm not justifying it, I think banning items of clothing that are strongly associated with certain races or creeds is not the behaviour of an open society, and I completely oppose such bans. They are dehumanising, and demonising of the target culture.

Last edited by diebitter; 04-24-2017 at 08:18 AM.
04-24-2017 , 01:07 PM
UKIP has announced more policies.

Basically, dem muslims init.

      
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