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04-22-2019 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Ironic that 57 on red turns out to be a massive racist in his cognitive processes and world building.

See these few individuals, they are all like that, all of them.

amazing.
All that and he has the cheek to accuse me of glorifying political murder then signs off his post with RIP Captain Herbert Westmacott SAS (part of the British state murder machine killed in action btw).

He's an arsehole lol.
04-23-2019 , 07:23 AM
57 on red's heroes....



https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/43...rs-Nazi-salute



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8632331.html

I should mention his former king was also up to his balls with the nazis......



https://nypost.com/2015/03/01/how-br...r-edward-viii/
04-23-2019 , 07:40 AM
The IRA also allied with the Germans in the first world war. They were simply operating under "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosophy which has been used for hundreds if not thousands of years by nations, kingdoms empires and groups the world over. Churchill said that Mussolini & his blackshirts had “rendered a service to the whole world” & considered Fascism an “‘Antidote to Soviet Poison.’ (aka "the enemy of my enemy is my friend") & referred to Mussolini as "That admirable Italian gentleman".

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Much like de Valera and Hyde, the Taoiseach and President of Ireland during the Second World War, who trusted in Nazi victory (as the US ambassador reported at the time) and were so upset by Hitler's death that they paid condolence visits to the German ambassador, for reasons not of public protocol but of private sympathy
Sorry but this is untrue, Ireland offered condolences because we were officially neutral (despite helping the allies on numerous occasions but appearances still had to be kept up.) https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpo...ii-259756.html )

By the same token Hitler gave reparations for the bombing of the North strand in Dublin which included a Synagogue. Despite his hatred of Jews, as Ireland was officially (ahem) neutral.

Robert Briscoe an IRA member & former lord Mayor of Dublin was Jewish & provided training to the Irgun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...oe_(politician)

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Jabotinsky while head of Irgun visited Dublin to receive training in guerrilla warfare tactics against the British under the instruction of Briscoe
The IRA weren't Nazi allies because they were also Nazi anti Semites themselves but again were simply operating under a philosophy that many adopted before them.

I don't know about any other posters as I don't know people well enough itt but as an Irish person I'm not an Irish Republican or sympathizer. But it's not valid to quantify a conflict that dragged along for centuries in one form or another in such simplistic terms. No learning of history will ensue with such a stance. I have a lot of respect for you & your opinion & would actually consider you an online mate due to our previous history together. But I respectfully disagree with you on this. There was no "goodies & baddies" scenario at play here & respective British governments have plenty of blood on their hands regarding the north just as the IRA & UVF do.

People need to move on, let go of the bitterness & critically examine that conflict, free of emotion or rhetoric if they wish to learn anything from it. I'm just glad it's over & the next generation down south anyway has grown up out of its shadow. But nothing will be learned from such a mindset which is as is useless as "Brits Out" or "No Surrender" or any other emotive slogan. The British didn't fight the good fight any more than the IRA did, they all engaged in brutality & reprehensible acts no exceptions & did so for complex reasons which can't be brushed of so simplistically either way.

That's all I'm gonna say about this deeply depressing topic as someone who also grew up during the era. Far more at play than "because it was all the IRA/British Government's fault".

Cheers.

Last edited by corpus vile; 04-23-2019 at 07:49 AM.
04-23-2019 , 09:37 AM
All I wanted when I was a kid was to join the Ra, thankfully I haven't felt like that since I was a 14 year old boy ~30 years ago. The troubles was all consuming as a child where I'm from and my family was immersed in the republican tradition.

All changed after the IRA crippled one of my best friends. Seen him 2/3 weeks ago and his physical problems have never went away. Few years later I was making my way in the world based mainly in England for work and that opened my eyes to the world of nobody giving a **** where you're from or what you are. Quite an experience for a 16 year old.

I've psted this before and it wasn't believed then either lol.

Now I'd like a better society for all and not this green v orange **** we're still faced with.

I won't deny that I'm an Irish nationalist hoping for reunification but not willing to fight and die for it. Dublin should be leading the way on it rather than SF and there has already been moves made by civic Irish nationalists on the way forward. Hopefully not long before a critical mass is achieved then reunification becomes inevitable.

None of the above excuses the Brits* for being bastards.

Last edited by unwantedguest; 04-23-2019 at 09:40 AM. Reason: *army/security forces/politicians/right wing media. *not Joe Public as I found lots to be either sympathetic or just dgaf.
04-24-2019 , 05:19 PM
Read this earlier today. Its so crazy how far right even so called centrist moderates are when it comes to immigration.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...racism-victims

This country is about to be lost for a generation or two. We are already slipping down the slope.

After the German led allies forces eventually invade England because we illegally invaded independent Scotland, when they are done fighting city to city street to street before the evil English surrender, after finding concentration camps full of minorities, I hope they ruthlessly make examples of our authoritarian dictators and those who prop them up.

I hope my kids get the opportunity to fight for the allies, maybe doing cool **** like flying drone strikes on Westminster. Pretty much my number one goal in life is making sure they don't end up in concentration camps that the brexit elite are already cool with.
04-24-2019 , 05:24 PM
XR gave me hope for the country. Then they gave up after winning zero meaningful concessions.

They completely missed an opportunity when they didn't visit Heathrow with drones. Every day. For a month. Or until they win.
04-25-2019 , 01:52 PM
After a few years of denial and a last gasp attempt at delaying the trial ex SNP MP Natalie McGarry pleads guilty to embezzling funds, some of which were intended for a food bank.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...bezzling-25000
04-25-2019 , 05:23 PM
Tory candidates suspended over racist and inflammatory posts

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Two Conservative local election candidates and a woman honoured with an MBE are among 40 new self-professed Tory members who have shared or endorsed racist and inflammatory Facebook posts including Islamophobic material, the Guardian has learned.

The torrent of racist posts include references to Muslims as “bin bag wearing individuals”, calls for the “cult” of Islam to be banned and the Qur’an being branded an “evil book”.

One female Tory supporter even called for a boycott of Muslim-owned shops and endorsed another comment labelling the religion’s followers “sub-human” and “cockroaches”.

Both of the council candidates – one of them claimed “Islamophobia was not surprising” in a rant about Muslims and said he would celebrate the death of the anti-Brexit campaigner Gina Miller – have now been suspended.

It comes as the Conservative party faces mounting pressure over its handling of Islamophobia. The Conservative peer Sayeeda Warsi has said Theresa May is “burying her head in the sand” over the issue and has led calls for a party inquiry.

Mohammed Amin, chairman of the Conservative Muslim Forum, is also calling for party chiefs to hold an inquiry into Islamophobia. He told the Guardian: “The serious question the Conservative party has to ask itself is: what is it about the image that it is projecting that causes people with these views to think they belong in the Conservative party?

“At the moment, it’s in complete denial about that question. It believes that tackling people one by one as they are exposed that somehow the problem will go away and I do not believe it will. It needs to hold a serious, independent inquiry both into its processes for dealing with issues like this and whether they are adequately transparent, and the even more fundamental question about the image the party is projecting to the British people, which makes people with racist and bigoted religious views believe that the Conservative party is the party for them. The people posting on Facebook certainly do believe that.”

Sub-human cockroaches? That reminds me of something.
04-26-2019 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Tory candidates suspended over racist and inflammatory posts




Sub-human cockroaches? That reminds me of something.
One of the few benefits of social media etc is that it's making it easier to discover these idiots with racist views.
04-26-2019 , 08:49 PM
Its always been easy. Ask if they are socially conservative.
04-27-2019 , 02:51 AM
Question From Across The Pond

Yesterday (or the day before) I'm watching another "Brexit discussion" on Bloomberg television. Piers Morgan was one of the guest commentators. I wasn't paying especially close attention until the discussion turned to President Trump's impending June visit to the UK. At that point Mr. Morgan went out on a limb predicting that Prime Minister Theresa May will be "out" [as PM] before Trump's scheduled June arrival.

Question: Does Morgan's "prediction" gel with the conventional wisdom in the UK? Are Mrs. May's days as PM limited to not-too-many more? How would she most likely go, either via a successful No Confidence vote or does she say "To Hell With It!" and resign? (After each successive NC vote, and continuously having her latest renegotiated deal with the EU rejected, I wonder when she's going to decide to quit knocking her head against the wall and turn the Brexit mess over to Boris Johnson ... or whoever.)
04-27-2019 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Former DJ
Question From Across The Pond

Yesterday (or the day before) I'm watching another "Brexit discussion" on Bloomberg television. Piers Morgan was one of the guest commentators.
Turn off the TV.

But in answer to your question that's probably a shade too soon. She's a huge favourite to leave in 2019 but the Tory party can't oust her until December and Tory MPs have already shown they won't remove her via a vote of no confidence.

This is conjecture, but I think she's unlikely to leave before giving her deal (at least) one more big push, which means she could go right up until the October 31st deadline - and beyond.
04-27-2019 , 03:33 AM
June is too soon to be likely. Even if she resigns there's probably a period of time before a replacement takes over and she will remain PM till then. Plus rumours of May's imminent death somehow seem to get exaggerated.

It's still one of the more sensible things piers might say.
04-27-2019 , 12:22 PM
Excellent news today for those of us who are opposed to Scottish Nationalism.

The SNP conference today rejected the leadership's post independence currency plan which was to keep the pound and switch to a new currency when 6 very vague tests were met. It was similar to the tests put in place for the UK to join the Euro, i.e. the tests were set up so that they could never be met, or at least you could make claim that they hadn't been met.

Anyway, the delegates have defeated the leadership and voted to move quickly to a brand new currency after independence. For some context, in a recent poll this option came bottom of the list with only 5% supporting it.



If there was another independence campaign, and there won't be, then it would be impossible for them to sell this on the doorstep and hope to convert those who want to remain within the UK.

      
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