Dude everyone knows all cases are won or lost with fiery oratory* in closing arguments. You're not fooling anyone.

*Can replace with down home folksy oratory - South only.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grinder_(TV_series)

The scary part to me is that this is even possible.

Wow

Yeah, I'd like more details on the fingerprinting and how that works. What is delivering the data to uber if the app is deleted? My understanding of what Apple was irritated about was quite a bit different than what those tweets imply.

Apple should be explaining why this is even possible. Seems like a huge defect in iOS

For those who like old-fashioned reading, this is the article those screenshots are from.

My best guess of what's going on, from this snippet:

I'm guessing that what Uber did was...
- leave some kind of unerasable cookie behind on a device that uniquely identifies that device to Uber, even if the app is uninstalled
- being that this is related to fraud detection, that's probably so that if a user uses a fake CC or does something shady to Uber, then Uber is still able to tell who that user is if they delete the app and reinstall it; I believe that how things are supposed to work is that if someone uninstalls and reinstalls your app, you can't tell if they're the same person or not until they give you some piece of identifying information (i.e. logging in to an account or whatever), but that possibly puts Uber in a situation where users engaging in fraud can burn them again

What the article doesn't necessarily say to me (from the early part, I haven't read most of it yet and I'm not sure if they go deeper into this specific issue) is that Uber was tracking users or getting data from/about them while the Uber app was not installed. That's not to say Uber was doing nothing wrong, clearly when their app is uninstalled they're not supposed to leave anything behind, and it does seem curious that iOS didn't ensure all app data is deleted upon uninstalling.

How are they actively tracking people though with the app uninstalled? Is Uber tapped into the cel networks?

Yeah, the "they're tracking you when the app is uninstalled" sounds bogus. If it's true, it's worse for apple than uber.

Right, the quote from the end of the article that was in one of suzzer's screenshots seems to support my theory above:

The "tracking" seems like it only would have allowed Uber to identify if the app was re-installed on the same phone even after the phone was wiped.

Which is not "tracking" in the way implied by the article at all. Tech + journalism ftw.

The really sketchy part is where they loaded different code if the IP address originated in Cupertino. That HAS to piss Apple off.

Lyft driver files class-action lawsuit against Uber for their program that tracked Lyft drivers

Drip.

Uber Fires Former Google Engineer at Heart of Self-Driving Dispute

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/t...wski.html?_r=0

Uber board member cracks joke about women at sexual harassment meeting

The comedy of errors continues.

wow thats terrible although my initial read is its just some old guy awkwardly attempting to be inclusive by making a casually sexist remark.

****ing olds, man

This stuff is especially common on Boards, of course. Board appointments are just a victory lap for people typically at the end of their careers. Many large companies have Boards that are packed with 65-75 white males that are absolutely clueless about this stuff.

100% true. Also in many cases companies appoint these old white guys to leverage the connections they have, or as a reward for those connections having been leveraged.

and they vote through any ceo payrise without question. 27% pay rise? Seems reasonable.

Good, new article. https://www.theatlantic.com/business...m_source=atltw

Uber is being sued by a woman who was raped by a driver in India

So scummy.

When I heard he made a sexist joke, I assumed it was related to sex. What he said was far worse though really. Implied that men are the ones that get things done on boards, and women just talk which is equated to fluff.

He couldn't have had worse timing making this "joke" at an Uber conference discussed sexism in the company.

I have heard about Lyft, but as far as I know they don't operate outside of the the US.

Uber is doing very well in London and rest of UK, as well as many other European cities and Asian ones too! I'm sure they're making lots of money from places like Paris, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore.

I know a guy driving for Uber in London and last I heard he was making pretty decent money. Uber in London on a weekend evening is always at least x1.25 surge rate, when last trains are gone it will go up to x1.5 for a while. I've seen the surge rate go up to x1.7 - x2 on busy nights like Halloween and NYE.

I honestly cannot ****ing believe that they're bringing back tipping. WHY NOT JUST PAY THE DRIVERS MORE AND CHARGE PASSENGERS MORE TOO?

Kalanick resigns after being forced out by investors

That's actually one of the reasons I interpret it this way.

A long time ago I was at a meeting with two successful people discussing a business at a restuarant. One was a man in his 50's and one was a woman in her 30's and me. Some water spilled on the table and our waitress, she's like 25, the guy yells for her to come clean it up and then the following happens:

i don't know how gross this sounds over the internet but it was really weird: He's like watching her clean up the spill and while shes wiping it up and the part that spilled on the floor he's staring at her and he goes " I love to watch a woman work."

it was like so weird especially considering how normal this guy was most of the time.

I don't think he realized how out of place it was at all because he's used to doing business with guys. Never underestimate male stupidity.