How the **** is the NSA relevant to this conversation? And how the **** are you equating spying to murder?

^^ I gave an other example to show you that passing judgement on people, or whole contries' populations you don't know is not a productive way to talk, when it was noone but the government who did what you criticize.
You called it equating, and I ofc can't help your interpretation/intentional misinterpreting here.

Your ****-language also wasn't needed. I just wanted to help this communication by making you see how pointless it is to generalize. That is deadly for every good comunication, afaik, hence why I made that post. Pretty obv, if you take a step back from yourself and think about it, I guess.

Like I didn't criticize the NSA? Like most americans don't?

I fear your inability to use english well coupled with a willingness to take just about anything from Russia is causing you to make some really ****ty posts that mean absolutely nothing.

I see, you are pro NSA, okay...
So it's correct to spy on the whole world's companies and politicians (not to mention civilians) to get an edge, ha?
You sir, are not a good spokesman for the states, that's for sure.
Maybe you should stop talking for your whole country, that would be a start to talk like a grown up, imho. Is your opinion to weak to stand alone, or why do you have to generalizea again?

And stop putting false judgement on me, I am not pro Russia here, and you seem to be mad for whatever reason I don't know. Try to calm down, please.

I'm pretty sure I can criticize your english when you read 'like I didn't criticize the nsa?' and think it means I am pro NSA. I am not OK with the NSA spying on Americans. I am perfectly fine with the NSA spying on other countries. That's what intelligence agencies do.

Also, when you bring up 'but the NSA' like this, you are equating spying with killing, which is obviously dumb.

Spying on civilians, companies and politicans elsewhere is okay, spying on americans isn't? Americans don't bomb things? Why do you support the spying at all?

Dodging all points I made, while instead pointing out that my english is poor, despite the fact that you perfectly understood everything I said... You are not the one that should call other people dumb, not by any means!

Again, I gave an other example to let you realise how destructive your generalisation was.
I did not equate those things. You are just too stubborn to get it, or to admit that your comment was not at all helpfull or productive.


Please stop putting words in my mouth, or taking them out of context. I let you have the last word on this to stop this derail. Feel free to pm me, too.

Absolutely.
Plainly not what has happened
I did. It was the conclusions that your posts required being so bad that made me criticize you.

oooook.

Again, when you respond to 'ukraine killing and jailing protesters is bad' with 'the nsa spies', you are doing 1 of 2 things. You are either equating spying with killing, or your post is completely not related to the conversation. Feel free to pick what category you think your post falls into.

In other words, you say I'm dodging your 'points'. What the **** are your 'points' to bringing up NSA spying in response to jailing and killing political dissidents if not to equate them?

fyi,
The NSA’s role is locating targets for lethal drone strikes, overly relying on the activity of mobile phones targets are believed to be using, rather than confirming a target’s identity with operatives or informants on the ground.

You mean, and you're being serious here, that a military intelligence collects.... military intelligence?

**** man MIND BLOWN!

Yeah, that history is pretty interesting. Like how russia tried to murder as many of those people as possible, including a fantastic 8 figure genocide in Ukraine. Something to point to for sure.

Plenty of radical parties exist in the united states. Try again.

Yeah, those dirty ukrainians deserve it bro.
I don't think russians are a bunch of communistic dolts. I think they are apologizers for fascists and profoundly racist and homophobic.... dolts.
The government outlawed the protests they didn't like. This is not disputed.

Just saying that NSA uses spying to kill U.S citizens far from any battlefield.
so bringing up NSA spying in response killing citizens isn't wrong.

LOL, yes, it is. Especially when you bring it up to talk about spying on countries and companies. Try again.

I didn't miss that point. It's just wrong... and dumb. There are plenty of radical groups in the united states. They aren't popular. Being unpopular isn't the same as being illegal.

How is NSA relevant at this topic at all? Or the US for that matter?

Holy ***** crap, how xenophobic and paranoid can you get?

Adjusting to survive is to jail other politicians? It seems that other European countries doing just fine or at least better without doing that. Same goes for press freedom, economic development, corruption etc. This is true especially for Eastern Europe.

Also two wrongs doesn't make one right.

Not at all.
Iketoy massively derailed, when I made a random example of why generalising a whole countries population for an act of the current government is wrong. Then he became huffy and stubborn and started to say I equate NSA and killing civilians (which I denied at least twice), to sidetrack from the fact that he is arguing like this:
****, try again, ****, you are dumb, ooooook, most russians are okay with (insert whatever government did), ****, generalisation, ****, most americans xyz, ****.

Our government murdered Fred Hampton. Does that mean the Black Panthers should be allowed to fire on the Whitehouse? By your logic it does.

NEWS:
- Tymoshenko will be free (parlament already agreed, Yanukovych still has to)
- New elections in December this year already
- Some or most oppositions still sceptical, though

Souce = 3Sat (austrian/german TV, reputable channel)

UPMILF

Yeah, but not a legal one

I guess I'm naive not to recognize that all the political problems are due to the US embassy which justifies all actions. Or maybe more inward-turned countries are using excuses like this to justify taking over mass media, suing and jailing all opposition member, reducing the independence of the courts etc.

Noooo it must be big bad US embassy with like what, 40 workers? Maybe external funding outside the country?

It's funny to notice that countries that are pulling this line basically have no functional opposition. I guess it's price to pay for having the US embassy :P

Remember, your country is under constant threat!

It's good that you used this non-naive credible source like TALK SHOW instead like for example CHECKING THE SOURCES YOURSELF!

There are tons of mass media outlets in Europe, if you want to find extremely biased view one way or another, it's pretty damn easy. There are absolutely horrible news sources but censoring them would be even worse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

There's one of the biggest ones (slightly biased towards UK). Not that hard to find is it?

Yes, all news sources are biased and often reporters unintentionally or intentionally take sides. They however should try to be as neutral as possible.

I'm paying close attention to German media and all I can say is that MSM here is a disgrace. There is directed anti-Russian propaganda, the reporting about the Ukrainian crisis has been very one-sided.

anti Putin (Russian imperialism) =/ anti Russian

Now the Rada is passing all kinds of laws without the president's signature, they even released Tymoshenko from prison. To me this seems like a violation of the peace agreement. I don't see how anything of what they are doing now is legitimate.

Meanwhile things are finally moving in eastern Ukraine. This thing is far from being over.

^^Try watching 3sat and Arte, for example. They are originally Austrian and French, but you will be able to understand it, since it's mostly in german. You don't have to watch RTL all day.

How do you value freedom of speech, human rights etc?
The discussion has not been one-sided, it mentioned all the same facts that other reputable channels and papers gave. Though, if you still think the CDU is as right wing as the AfD in Germany, it's quite obvious how much you like to read rainbow-press and other sources of incitement of the people.
You said you really liked the "counterpunch.org"-link, and that says a lot about your attraction to news on Bildzeitung-level (german rainbow-press).
Btw, I wholeheartedly hate the CDU, and I did not vote them, not that you get me wrong, but you seem to lack a greater breadth of understanding, regarding how to value news, and how to differ important, meaningful information and facts from pure propaganda and polemic nonsense
(I quote counterpuch "one guy was nearly strangled to death", which could mean about anything, and clearly shows the what kind of news-site that is. No serious press would spread such vague nonsense to get tha Ahh's and Ohh's of the readers, and no intelligent person would take this site as a source for serious information)

Maybe you want to try reading the "Die Zeit" , "Die Welt" "The Guardian" or maybe the "New York Times", instead of counterpunch, RTL and/or whatever else polemic nonsense.

May I ask you what your political preference is, and if you are old enough to vote already, and where did your parents/grandparents come from?