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A two-state solution for Ukraine?  The Ongoing Ceasefire That Isn't A two-state solution for Ukraine?  The Ongoing Ceasefire That Isn't

02-22-2014 , 08:38 PM
Ramana, I'm goona disprove all your lies here. Easy job, coz you can't prove a point, all your reasoning is flawed. Let's start, today I found an interesting comment on guardian pretty much like mine in unchained:

The whole point of Russian policy has been to paint anyone who opposes them as neo-Nazis, fascists, CIA stooges, White House lackeys, anti-democratic and now we get progromists. It's not too dissimilar from the rhetoric from the Bolshevik/Soviet era when terms (supposedly insulting) like 'bourgeois dilettantes', 'rootless cosmopolitans', 'white guard reactionaries', 'fascists', 'capitalist lackeys' etc were de rigeur.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ych-flees-kiev

There're no fascists in Ukraine besides Yanukoviches mob. Russia is a typical fascist state.
02-22-2014 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
This murderous scum is in a fugue state: doesn't react to that Bondarenko chick of his questions. All his ******ed intellect was wasted on reading from teleprompter. This POS has to be given life sentence. And if he flees, executed by our secret police. New ***ing Eichmann.
02-22-2014 , 08:47 PM
Russian drammatica article about proffesor, check out the pics and you'll see what a pig he is
02-22-2014 , 08:52 PM
This animal has brought the country close to economical collapse. And his ****ing family of thieves have stolen billions of dollars from our people. Did Clinton or Bush steal any money?

Google Average salary in Ukraine.
02-22-2014 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ISilly_DurrrAK
The whole point of Russian policy has been to paint anyone who opposes them as neo-Nazis, fascists, CIA stooges, White House lackeys, anti-democratic and now we get progromists. It's not too dissimilar from the rhetoric from the Bolshevik/Soviet era when terms (supposedly insulting) like 'bourgeois dilettantes', 'rootless cosmopolitans', 'white guard reactionaries', 'fascists', 'capitalist lackeys' etc were de rigeur.
Yeah, this has been happening all over this thread.

Whatever happens, in best case scenario this going to be a start for Ukraine. The corruption and corrupted people won't disappear over-night since it's probably in-build in the system already, income level is going to stay ****ty for a long time (8 %, which is the most optimistic growth, more to a small sum is still a small sum).
02-23-2014 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ISilly_DurrrAK
The whole point of Russian policy has been to paint anyone who opposes them as neo-Nazis, fascists, CIA stooges, White House lackeys, anti-democratic and now we get progromists. It's not too dissimilar from the rhetoric from the Bolshevik/Soviet era when terms (supposedly insulting) like 'bourgeois dilettantes', 'rootless cosmopolitans', 'white guard reactionaries', 'fascists', 'capitalist lackeys' etc were de rigeur.
And if you closely examine post-soviet totalitarian regimes, they are closer to fascism than communism.
But the two are very similar in their practices and outcomes anyway.
02-23-2014 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
Of course, but in what direction? I can imagine that a lot of people are really scared right now, not just in the east.


It seems to me that Yanukovich is definitely finished now, he is not coming back. On Russian channels eastern Ukraine politicians are heavily criticising Yanukovich for having been too soft for too long despite having knowledge that armed fascists are gathering and controlling Maidan, and for demoralizing police for sending them to the mob to be beaten and killed, for negotiating with fascists and even giving them amnesties. They are now practically begging for Russia to step in, because they don't see Ukrainian military in a condition to offer them protection.

EU already admits that opposition broke the peace agreement. Timoshenko is telling the mob to continue the protests. Crazy stuff.
Imagine you could only watch Fox news. Then imagine you could only watch Russia Today.

How is there not massive piling on to turd posting like this. Horrible.

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02-23-2014 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Long Eared Jerboa

What exactly does this article proves?
It's just words, no proves.
All EU media shows only part of picture from Ukraine aimed to look it like good guys are fighting to make dictator resigned, as I've said in previous post bc EU want to make Ukraine joined mostly for economical reasons, it's very simple.
Except not all aspects of our media are controlled so much as to completely fall in line with EU agenda.

In fact most of our print media in the UK actively hate the EU and agitate against it.

There is no such thing as EU media in the sense you mean.
02-23-2014 , 10:04 AM
Id also like to point out the famed heterogeneity, freedom and diversity of the Russian media.
02-23-2014 , 05:28 PM
Wanna see real Kitch? Our ex attorney the general's house: http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/2724...ksgenprokurora A lot of pics, enjoy!
02-23-2014 , 05:49 PM
Yanukovich's family, before he robbed Ukraine and afterwards:
02-23-2014 , 05:58 PM
Yanukoviches mansion, videos: http://kp.ua/daily/220214/440304/
02-23-2014 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ISilly_DurrrAK
This animal has brought the country close to economical collapse. And his ****ing family of thieves have stolen billions of dollars from our people. Did Clinton or Bush steal any money?

Google Average salary in Ukraine.
I'll point out that Ukraine had underperformed its neighbors for a long time, even before he took office: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fredgraph.png?g=sp3

Having said that, Ukraine's stock market has plummeted by 75% over the past 3 years, so I'm sure Yanukovych deserves plenty of blame for what has happened. Wages are very low, around 1/10th of Russian average wages. Inflation is very high, over 11%. I just hope things improve from here.
02-23-2014 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ISilly_DurrrAK
Yanukovich's family, before he robbed Ukraine and afterwards:
I'm no fan of Yanukovich and I'm glad he's gone, but to fair this picture doesn't mean anything. If you are a head of state its expected that you dress nice for a family picture.
02-24-2014 , 08:25 AM
Thought this article was interesting - we haven't heard much about the side opposite the protesters, but apparently there are pro-Russia protests going on in Crimea right now. Just a passing mention of them though (with a couple pictures).

Kinda crazy how a few days ago they had a deal in place (however tenuous)...and now the president flees the country and all hell is probably about to break loose.
02-24-2014 , 10:22 AM
So, Yank is gone and Tymoshenko prob wants to run for President. Interim govt by Tuesday (lol sure).

How long before Russia sends their army to Ukraine?
02-24-2014 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

How long before Russia sends their army to Ukraine?
Extremely unlikely.
02-24-2014 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
So, Yank is gone and Tymoshenko prob wants to run for President. Interim govt by Tuesday (lol sure).

How long before Russia sends their army to Ukraine?
Tymoshenko's out. Her back's sore from carrying the country out of Russia and putting it where it is today

02-24-2014 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ISilly_DurrrAK
Yanukoviches mansion, videos: http://kp.ua/daily/220214/440304/
Some crazy stuff: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...html?hpt=hp_c2

I feel like I'm watching the French Revolution live.
02-24-2014 , 07:06 PM
How many millions do you think that kind of complex runs?

I'm curious if that's "well, most U.S. presidents could afford that" territory or "holy ****, this guy was pillaging the **** out of his country" territory. Using this as a reference it seems like most presidents aren't as wealthy as I thought - the $5-$15 million range is fairly typical, though Clinton and the Bushes were ballin pretty hard.

Wikipedia doesn't have much info about Yanukovych's pre-government life to get a sense of how he may have acquired any wealth prior to entering politics.
02-24-2014 , 09:36 PM
^^Regarding that, his old familiy photo speaks more than 1000 words.

I wonder what might happen now. I would expect that the USA would happily help the EU with some financial short time aid for the Ukraine for their good image, since this would enhance Ukraine's chance to get into the EU, which, in the long run, would be great for the USA, since another broke country in the EU would help the USA and the $ to stay stronger, since it would weaken the €...

I just wish the EU would never have taken broke countries, especially the corrupt greek liers (government is accused here), who have been hiding their debts by ******ed accountacy tricks to get in, in the forst place (not declaring the huge military budget for several years at all). Though, the EU is behind the point of no return, and we will have to deal with all that stuff now, I guess. (I am german, and I will vote the AfD from now on, who is at least against the € as a united currency for all countries being involved. They are no Nazi's like the NPD, but fairly more on the right side, then the left. Moderate and thoughtfull, I want to point out)

Sad thing is, we sell so many weapons to all kind of second and third world countries... If we wouldn't, we would be significantly less wealthy... It's sick and disgusting to say the following, but we are like begging for more poor immigrants to come here, while we support the death of them in their own country by selling weapons to their corrupt governments, which then end up in wrong people's hand (, as if weapons ever were any right at all..).

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02-24-2014 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Heartland
Extremely unlikely.
Why, because Merkel and Obama will wag their fingers at them?
02-24-2014 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ISilly_DurrrAK
Yanukovich's family, before he robbed Ukraine and afterwards:
3412 & 23154

Child obviously excluded.

      
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