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A two-state solution for Ukraine?  The Ongoing Ceasefire That Isn't A two-state solution for Ukraine?  The Ongoing Ceasefire That Isn't

02-22-2014 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chytry
anti Putin (Russian imperialism) =/ anti Russian
This
It's a pity how many people can't even grasp this simple stuff before jumping to conclusion about others.
02-22-2014 , 10:32 AM
People of Ukraine have a wizard in their ranks.

sorry, couldn't resist.
I rely on David Letterman, he keeps repeating that China is crazy and Russia is evil, must be true.
02-22-2014 , 11:04 AM
^^ I just meant that posters judge other posters opinions falsly (with my last post).
What you mentioned was not what I intended to criticize with it, sorry for the misunderstanding. My bad, that I didn't point that out more clearly.
02-22-2014 , 11:18 AM
Some good news.

The armed forces of Ukraine will not become involved in any political conflict.
-statement posted on the defense ministry's website.
02-22-2014 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chytry
anti Putin (Russian imperialism) =/ anti Russian
It doesn't stop just there. Just today I read in Spiegel Online "hatred against gays in Putin-land". "Putin-land", yeah... The reporting on Sochi games is a joke, according to them everything about Sochi is corrupt and the games are some sort of Putin's personal project. Have you heard the live commentary (ZDF or ARD, I don't remember anymore) during opening ceremony where they constantly made inane remarks, totally politicizing the entire event. Russia is showing its history and culture in a beautiful show and they completely disrespect it. Or remember the Cyprus crisis, where they made propaganda against the bailout because they didn't want to rescue Russian "mafia money"?
02-22-2014 , 11:34 AM
Pretty much any country with more than 10 million people would do well to split up into smaller countries.

That goes triple for states.

Grassroots democracy ftw IMO.
02-22-2014 , 11:38 AM
Yanukovych believes what it is happening now as a coup and he refuses to back down.
&
Opposition has resigned the president.
New elections will be held on 25 May.
02-22-2014 , 11:51 AM
^^ Sounds like solid progress. Yesterday they still said December this year for new elections, and it was quite obv that this date wouldn't cut it.

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Originally Posted by Ramana
Have you heard the live commentary (ZDF or ARD, I don't remember anymore) during opening ceremony where they constantly made inane remarks, totally politicizing the entire event. Russia is showing its history and culture in a beautiful show and they completely disrespect it.
Well, as much as I usually disagree with you, with that part I quoted, you are absolutely right, imo. Those idiots shouldn't ruin sport with politics, it's a disgrace. Putin is not an angel, but he also isn't Hitler, and once the decision was made that the games would be in Russia, sport-reporters should simply deal with it, and keep it shut about politics, and let the non-sport-news criticize Putin.
02-22-2014 , 11:57 AM
russian slappies e'erwhere
02-22-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramana
Now the Rada is passing all kinds of laws without the president's signature, they even released Tymoshenko from prison. To me this seems like a violation of the peace agreement. I don't see how anything of what they are doing now is legitimate.
This is less politics and more revolution at this point.

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Originally Posted by Ramana
It doesn't stop just there. Just today I read in Spiegel Online "hatred against gays in Putin-land". "Putin-land", yeah... The reporting on Sochi games is a joke, according to them everything about Sochi is corrupt and the games are some sort of Putin's personal project.
Romney got plenty of political capital from his involvement in the olympics. Criticism fades in the memory of a tradegy-free games.

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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
Yanukovych believes what it is happening now as a coup and he refuses to back down. & Opposition has resigned the president.
New elections will be held on 25 May.
The way I hear it, that dude (Yanukovych) is somewhere in the Gulf of Oman (UAE), and protesters have taken his giant personal boat from his house.
02-22-2014 , 12:26 PM
ikestoys
This message is hidden because ikestoys is on your ignore list.


Has it been another useless and insulting post including the word ****?
I strongly recommend to put this yambag on the ignore list, since he is unable to participate constructively.
02-22-2014 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
ikestoys
This message is hidden because ikestoys is on your ignore list.


Has it been another useless and insulting post including the word ****?
I strongly recommend to put this yambag on the ignore list, since he is unable to participate constructively.
Ikes is not here to further the discussion.
02-22-2014 , 12:53 PM
02-22-2014 , 01:08 PM
^^There might be a reason that there is no undertext or translation of this in the clip.
May some want to translate the key points of that, or is it plain russian propaganda?



@ Long Eard Jeroba

Well, if the military decides to not part in defending the current government, there might be a reason that there are so few interviews that give Janukowitsch and the old government a chance to talk. I heard many statements Janukowitsch made on 3Sat the last days, and once saw a short interview with him a few weeks ago. Not sure if he gave any interviews lately, anyway.

The way things went pretty clearly indicate that a dictator got kicked out of business, and I honestly don't care if they stole his boat, or did other questionalbe things in the process to get there.
I try to differ important things from unimportant things, and the only tragedy is that way too many people on both sides got killed, before the Government has to decide to give in. Power is blinding like the strongest light, and they prefered to fight.

As someone else already said, this is currently not politics or law, it is a revolution.

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 02-22-2014 at 01:14 PM.
02-22-2014 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Long Eared Jerboa
"good read" on CNN as usually. The only one who being interviewed is Klitscko, who accused Yanukovich of leaving the capital, nothing about today's event in Kharkiv, nothing on how was it possible to free Timoshenko in 1.5 days period of time legitimately.

Generally no interview with government officials, no reports from regions.

TooRAre, check your fav sources maybe they have something on ^^ this! I would love to read it.
Possible to free him legitimately? Is that really necessary when he was illegitimately detained? **** man, make up your mind when the rule of law is actually important.
02-22-2014 , 04:58 PM
13,786 WikiLeaks documents reference 'Tymoshenko'

https://search.wikileaks.org/advance...moshenko&page=


Searching for Putin found 74.977 results
Searching for Obama found 188.373 results

Last edited by yeSpiff; 02-22-2014 at 04:59 PM. Reason: ps: nsa anticrisisgirl
02-22-2014 , 05:16 PM
Wikipedia entry for Yanukovych says he is no longer President.
02-22-2014 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Possible to free him legitimately? Is that really necessary when he was illegitimately detained? **** man, make up your mind when the rule of law is actually important.
ikestoys being an expert on his subject matter as always
02-22-2014 , 06:03 PM
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02-22-2014 , 06:12 PM
The way the election map laid out, the division was very clear on the map. The Yulia supporters were on the west and center of the country while the Yanukovych supporters were in droves on the east.

Seems like West Germany/East Germany iyam
02-22-2014 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The way the election map laid out, the division was very clear on the map. The Yulia supporters were on the west and center of the country while the Yanukovych supporters were in droves on the east.

Seems like West Germany/East Germany iyam

Don't you think the last days events may have changed things?

( a point a reporter in russia mentioned)
02-22-2014 , 07:04 PM
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Ukrainian Rabbi Moshe Reuven Azman, called on Kiev's Jews to leave the city and even the country if possible, fearing that the city's Jews will be victimized in the chaos, Israeli daily Maariv reported Friday.

"I told my congregation to leave the city center or the city all together and if possible the country too," Rabbi Azman told Maariv. "I don't want to tempt fate," he added, "but there are constant warnings concerning intentions to attack Jewish institutions."
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/...-news/1.575732
02-22-2014 , 07:18 PM
^^ LOL. Obviously the Nazi's will take over...

I take 2 days of self-ban now. Nuff said.

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 02-22-2014 at 07:41 PM.
02-22-2014 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by yeSpiff
Don't you think the last days events may have changed things?

( a point a reporter in russia mentioned)
Of course, but in what direction? I can imagine that a lot of people are really scared right now, not just in the east.


It seems to me that Yanukovich is definitely finished now, he is not coming back. On Russian channels eastern Ukraine politicians are heavily criticising Yanukovich for having been too soft for too long despite having knowledge that armed fascists are gathering and controlling Maidan, and for demoralizing police for sending them to the mob to be beaten and killed, for negotiating with fascists and even giving them amnesties. They are now practically begging for Russia to step in, because they don't see Ukrainian military in a condition to offer them protection.

EU already admits that opposition broke the peace agreement. Timoshenko is telling the mob to continue the protests. Crazy stuff.
02-22-2014 , 07:36 PM
One thing I AM sure of, is that situations like this is often used for all kinds of manipulations and political maneuverings, of all kinds.
idk. not there.

      
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