I've strained pretty hard to find someone who actually represents conservatives aside from the Malkin/Hannity/Limbaugh/Drudge crowd, and all I get is "lol DUmmy rant!! diebold hurr hurr!" and the Ron Paul acolytes defending his honor.

I am happy to grant that the Ron Paul cabal is specifically not these people:

But THOSE people make up basically everyone you think of when you think of modern, contemporary conservatism in America. I mean maybe it's a little No True Scotmanish, but it's not like I haven't seen the libertarian Ron Paul crowd on this forum decry how the Tea Party movement, etc. was hijacked and exploited by the FNC Punditocracy.

So there seems to be some recognition that we're actually talking about two discrete groups of people here: as I said, I'm happy to grant that Ron Paul and Andrew Napolitano and Reason and John Stossel et al have had longstanding and principled objections to TSA and security theater. What I'm saying is that the rest of right wing America -- Hannity/Malkin/Limbaugh et al -- are cynically exploiting TSA overreach for political gain, and that they have no real sincere opposition to patdowns and high power scanners. Although I'll grant some are probably outraged that white suburban people are subjected to the heightened scruitny.

the only "group" I'm sticking up for in my above posts is the one which doesn't like stupidity, bad arguments and claims of guilt by association. sorry if you don't belong to that group.

DVaut- It's nothing more than Taso reading "the conservative right" as "each and every person who wants low taxes." We've had problems with essentially every libertarian in this forum making general/specific errors and wagon circling like this.

Which is obviously dumb, but also kinda weird if you think about it. Why is he including himself in that group? Why circle the wagons at all?

When I first read this story, I thought, "Oh great, another hard-core conservative hoping to become a media darling by attention-whoring in public ala the girl who got a 'B' carved into her face."

And then I remember, "Hey, this guy may just be being a pain in the ass, but he's using the same tactics employed by the Civil Rights movement." I'm sure this guy on his way to a leisurely hunting trip (not a business trip, because you can't really cancel that) knew just what to say to make sure he didn't get boarded (pun intended) and it's likely no coincidence he was 'ready to record' right when he did, like the Ron Paul supporter with the ten grand.

But there's nothing wrong with that. Some of the earliest civil rights leaders chose people who looked white enough but had some tiny percentage of afro-american in them that they would get arrested, thus ensuring they could challenge unjust laws in court. This guy is no different. He's sick of the insanity (and inanity?) of the TSA and would like some attention drawn to it so something might eventually be done.

Of course, in America, it's political suicide (especially for a Democrat) to want to reduce the illusion of security in airports, lest you be branded one who "forgot the lessons of 9/11". (and don't tell me that **** doesn't stick! Bill Maher once said 'The real axis of evil in America is the genius of our marketing and the gullibility of our people")

Maybe he's hoping the conservative party will, with its newfound powers, pull its head out its arse and actually do something that benefits the little people.

I, for one, would like to see some conservatives back in the conservative party. It would make it a much more appealing party to vote for imo.

It's like that Juan Williams thing, where hardly anyone would defend what Juan Williams actually said, but everyone was very insistent on circling the wagons to defend him and claim he took it back when he didn't.

It's also quite telling that taso thought an analogous situation would be applying what Olbermann and Maddow said to me, as if I applied what Hannity and Malkin said to him, when of course I wasn't talking about taso at all, and he hadn't even posted the thread when I was responding to tom. There's this bizarre level of self-absorption going on. I mean taso is basically looking to be personally offended here. He's actively seeking it out, despite multiple assurances I'm not talking about him. Like he saw my posts about how Malkin and Hannity are clowns and believe stupid things, and how the right wing hoi polloi bathe themselves in this rhetoric and buy it hook-line-and-sinker, and he showed up to note that I'll get my comeuppance when taso criticizes me for what Olbermann says. Kind of strange.

Hire smoking hot women to work for the TSA as junk fondlers. Win-win.

"You didn't find it yet? It's there. Com'on baby, you got to WORK for this."

Safety my butt... The TSA - and "Homeland Security" is nothing more than Orwellian conditioning to get us into the proper mindset. Muslims had NOTHING to do with 9/11, it was all a setup to put things like the Patriot Act and DHS in place. They beat up the patriotism drums and these TSA employees think they're saving America from harm... when THEY are the ones doing the real harm.

Teach your children how not to be sheep. Stand up to this complete and utter madness. "Those that would give up some of their precious liberties for some temporary security DESERVE NEITHER." -Benjamin Franklin

Don't be pussies. Don't be afraid of a fairy-tale enemy. Fight against domestic enemies as hard as you would a foreign one. EVERY "terror" act in this country has been manufactured for a purpose and to push an agenda.

If you believe none of my words, I pray you wake up to the truth someday. I pray we don't go down with hardly a whimper. Whatever happened to the "home of the brave"?

So is Al Qaeda fake? Or just their claim to knocking down the twin towers?

Is your name Nathan Arizona?

Because there's a containment thread for people like you.

I'm not the only guy who could really use those frequent flyer points...

"I think you missed a spot."

Probably because there are official conspiracy threads about. Which would make me wonder why my post wasn't deleted as well. C'est la vie!

and they now do a full squeeze of the circumference of a woman's chest now.

They do groin pat, grope a woman's chest. They really need to add a butt spank to complete the series.

please do not take any of that to the conspiracy thread, thx

in news about this actual story (not sure anyone cares about that though)

The TSA today decided to allow pilots to skip the groping.