Yo, suzz, 7 minutes and 26 seconds with a clickbaity title? I know you know this forum well enough to know we aren't gonna watch some damn yootoobz.

Well, iam already ad a point were i dont take what he says seriously. And i think most governments will do so to. Until of course, they can exploit his naivete.

I watched it. I'll give the guy credit for at least openly stating he's making a false equivalence but trying to focus on a more general facet.

But, like, there's only so much more of this I can take, this notion of, "people who hate _____ people for no real reason, and people who hate those people for their petty yet destructive hatred... Same thing amirite!!"

And I sympathize with the people that have had their world upended, seeing that trump drew a line in the sand and finding their friends and loved ones standing on the other side, but the line was always actually there. Trump just kinda drew it more bigly and then kept pointing at it.

Do I ever post stupid long videos that don't go anywhere? Watch it for 30 seconds, if it doesn't grab you then dump it.

You completely missed the point. The point is that both sides are self-selecting emotionally compelling one-sided news, which ultimately builds an avatar of the worst aspects of other side. Even if this avatar is composed of true fragments, it represents nothing like the whole. If you want someone on the other side to pull out of their bubble, you have to be willing to do the same.

Humans are emotionally-driven creatures. If you willingly consume emotionally powerful extremely slanted news 24-7 (like I was doing for years) - you're going to have a very skewed picture of the world.

Two different bubbles. One, as you said, is guided by facts and real events. The other, the Fox News bubble, is based on fear and loathing. For example, say you watch MSNBC every night. Sure you might be in a bubble, but you're basically getting fact-based reporting. If you watch Fox News every night you could be getting completely false stories about the Black Panthers intimidating voters, Clinton's upcoming indictment for sure (Baier a few days before the election, he later apologized for airing false stories), and the massive wave of illegal voter fraud that's sweeping the nation. MSNBC on the other hand is likely to be completely factual reporting that focuses on the weaknesses of the Republicans/conservatives and ignores the weaknesses of the Democrats. Are these two functionally the same kind of bubble or are they completely different?

Also I've been making efforts to not just make this thread "liberal hate porn," successful or not. For example I posted the guy in the cowboy hat who was encouraging Muslim worshipers because I thought that was a very nice gesture and the guy who did it seems conservative, at least from appearances. This thread is for documenting actions and events, perhaps extreme actions and events, that happen in the current time and period. As far as I'm concerned, I'd love for the recent string of harassing incidents to end immediately and we could all go back to worrying about marginal tax rates and whether we are going to lose our Obamacare. But I think it's important to point these things out as long as they are happening.

http://fortune.com/2016/11/06/fox-ne...-false-report/
http://mediamatters.org/stories-and-...her-party-case
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...did-not-vote-/

Are you sure? I did say, " I'll give the guy credit for at least openly stating he's making a false equivalence but trying to focus on a more general facet," and you said,

and, video guy said more than once, something to the effect, "I'm not talking about the actual thoughts, the truth or rightness or blah blah etc."

Also I agree with you suzzer if your point is this: when we speak to conservatives/Republicans either on the internet or in real life, we shouldn't imagine them to be the literal Nazis that we encounter on Twitter or read about defacing David Sklansky's home. We need to remember that most conservatives/Republicans are totally normal people who have been misled on a lot of things into voting against their own interest.

See, the irony of these post-election bubble escapes is they're only a burrow deeper in a different bubble.

Does anybody actually believe fake news caused people to believe fake things? I mean, at the root? Being generous I'd say it's a symbiotic relationship, but really it's a supply meeting a demand. Everybody wants and needs to believe they're the hero of their story, that they're the sheep amidst the wolves, that their worldview is not abhorrent or even just incorrect. So when reality infringes a great many people play the coward's role and seek out reaffirmation, even if it's patently fake.

This post-election existential crisis of many liberals is just a corollary to that, where they're now seeking out affirmation that, oh, hey, we're not all that different really, after the bigliest writing on the wall yet, stating otherwise, has just been scrawled all the **** over America. And an entire industry/movement has seemingly sprung up overnight to transmit this message to the bubbles.

I mean, I was feeling good that I thought I could finally retire this ****ing thing below, but I've shared it more times since the election than the 6 years previous:


And finally, New Rule, if you're going to have a rally where hundreds of thousands of people show up, you might as well go ahead and make it about something. With all due respect to my friends Jon and Stephen, it seems to me that if you truly wanted to come down on the side of restoring sanity and reason, you'd side with the sane and the reasonable, and not try to pretend that the insanity is equally distributed in both parties.

Keith Olbermann is right, when he says he's not the equivalent of Glenn Beck. One reports facts, the other one is very close to playing with his poop.

And the big mistake of modern media has been this notion of balance for balance's sake, that the left is just as violent and cruel as the right, that unions are just as powerful as corporations, that reverse racism is just as damaging as racism. There's a difference between a mad man, and a madman.

Now, getting over 200,000 people to come to a liberal rally is a great achievement, and gave me hope. And what I really loved about it was that it was twice the size of the Glenn Beck crowd on the Mall in August! Although it weighed the same.

But the message of the rally, as I heard it, was that if the media would just stop giving voice to the crazies on both sides, then maybe we could restore sanity. It was all non-partisan, and urged cooperation with the moderates on the other side, forgetting that Obama tried that, and found out there are no moderates on the other side.

When Jon announced his rally, he said that the national conversation is dominated by people on the right who believe Obama's a socialist, and people on the left who believe 9/11 was an inside job. But I can't name any Democratic leaders who think 9/11 was an inside job. But Republican leaders who think Obama's a socialist? All of them! McCain, Boehner, Cantor, Palin, all of them! It's now official Republican dogma, like tax cuts pay for themselves, and gay men just haven't met the right woman.

As another example of both sides using overheated rhetoric, Jon cited the right equating Obama with Hitler, and the left calling Bush a war criminal. Except thinking Obama is like Hitler is utterly unfounded, but thinking Bush is a war criminal? That's the opinion of General Anthony Taguba, who headed the Army's investigation into Abu Ghraib.

You see, Republicans keep staking out a position that is further and further right, and then demand Democrats meet them in the middle, which is now not the middle anymore. That's the reason health care reform is so watered down; it's Bob Dole's old plan from 1994. Same thing with cap-and-trade; it was the first President Bush's plan to deal with carbon emissions. Now the Republican plan for climate change is to claim it's a hoax.

But it's not. I know that because I've lived in L.A. since '83, and there's been a change in the city: I can see it now. All of us who live out here have had that experience. Oh look, there's a mountain there! Government, led by liberal Democrats, passed laws which changed the air I breathe for the better. OK, I'm for them! And not for the party that is, as we speak, plotting to abolish the EPA. And I don't need to pretend that both sides have a point here. And I don't care what left or right commentators say about it; I only care what climate scientists say about it.

Two opposing sides don't necessarily have two compelling arguments. Martin Luther King spoke on that Mall in the capitol, and he didn't say, "Remember folks, those Southern sheriffs with the fire hoses and the German shepherds, they have a point too!" No, he said, "I have a dream, they have a nightmare!" This isn't Team Edward and Team Jacob. Liberals, like the ones on that field, must stand up and be counted, and not pretend that we're as mean or greedy or short-sighted or just plain bat**** as they are. And if that's too polarizing for you, and you still want to reach across the aisle and hold hands and sing with someone on the right, try church!

Fake news isn't the problem itself. It's that fake news needs an ecosystem of conspiracy to thrive. If you think the President is a normal center left president then you'll ignore or give short shrift to a WordPress blog* talking about how Obama told millions of illegals to vote on camera. Why would the president advocate committing a felony on camera and in front of a media outlet? He wouldn't. But Kenyan socialist dictator Obama would.

*it was actually Fox News who selectively edited a tape. A major, if not the major news outlet in the US

Curious to see the kind of America I'm going to return to in 3 weeks. Wonder how different it will be compared to Christmas 2015.

Hopefully he understands that while hating haters is nowhere near as bad as being a base hater, it's still bad. Also as its a political mistake, it's not one a necessary evil. There's no false equivalence.

I thought you mentioned you weren't coming stateside this holiday season. Change your mind or am I thinking of somebody else?

Do you bite your thumb at us, sir?

Not at all.

Why do you ask?

Do you quarrel, sir?

It's more sadness than anger. I rarely do either but definitely a bit sad at the moment.

Thinking of somebody else.

So long as you're not any kind of minority, like gay, black, Muslim, woman, you should be having the same experiences as before.

Yay!!!

Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but it seemed appropriate:

(cliffs: guy shows up at the #pizzagate restaurant with a rifle and fires off a few shots. After he's arrested, he claims that he came to "self-investigate" the claims he had read on the internetz)


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...l%252Bnational

I want to report this as a hate crime against WHITE MALES, but I don't Tweet and it would be playing right into the hands of einbert's scroeboard itt. Nice hand, sir.

NYPD Muslim cop targeted with bias slurs hailed as hero by father whose daughter she saved.

When fake news is investigated with real guns.

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