I can't stand the whole "they took our jobs", like nails on a chalkboard. Build a wall, haha. Trump knows how to run an empire, but he doesn't know very much about economics. Hilary knows less. I wish Peter Schiff ran on the Libertarian ticket. He at least had some energy, and can enlighten some people on economy. The whole election was not very enlightening.

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS, time to make America great again. zzzzzzzzzzzzz

It's like the housing boom but for telling scared people what they want to hear.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...7580&tid=ss_tw

You're just gonna ignore this one, champ?

My money is on "slavery ended 150 years ago, stop whining" but the possibilities are endless.

Meh, it's cheaper to unload on a forum than to hire a psychologist. Do what you got to do.

How is it even possible to become this cowardly and obtuse?

You literally just "unloaded on a forum" with that sweetass shoulder chip idiom when nobody was talking to you. Just scroll up!

I mean, is this maga buyer's remorse or what's going on here? Daddy isn't removing the shoulder chipped brown people fast enough?

Also, bonus points for deriding mental illness and poverty in one fell swoop. You make America proud.

Are these people so compartmentalized and mentally divorced from their own deplorable bull**** that when somebody provocatively points it out it's some sky-is-falling event?

Maybe you shouldn't remove the chip on your shoulder.

5ive cracks me up

Yeah, he's hilarious, like an escaped mental patient pooping in the street.

A lot of Trump supporters are taking on his personality traits. Thin-skinned-ness and projection seem to be the main two, along with a general sense of victim-blaming (red flag behavior of abuse).

Deflections and projections.

A weird thing i'm noticing is people getting hyper butthurt about anything negative said about him. Something really bizarre is happening right now and i'm not smart enough to articulate it well.

I am the only liberal at my job and it's been kind of rough. I put a hillary sticker on my locker for the troll factor, it's worked pretty well

People become more emotionally invested when they act.

jmakin,

My friend is an IT Professional at a medium-sized, fairly liberal university. He is the only one is his department who was for Hillary and he has been hounded about it for weeks, especially since the election ended. The people he works with aren't carpenters or steelworkers, they have college degrees and are not experiencing a great amount of economic anxiety.

I think this is somehow related to fascism, but I'm not exactly sure how to connect the dots. But it seems like this kind of extremely strong social pressure, even after the election, is a precursor to something much bigger to me.

I get that sense too. I'm trying to relate it to how conservatives must have felt in a similar position in '08, but it just seems too different.

I've given up debating, I've given up arguing, I'm going straight troll mode and am going to put the kabosh on racist **** I hear at work. Of course people will just learn to not say the n word around me but that's god damn fine with me.

Some of my conservative clients also seem to be taking on some of the rash, impulsive decision-making, capriciously discarding a vendor due to some perceived slight or misstep, and gruff manner of communicating. All pretty terrible traits for my particular industry (construction, coincidentally).

Good for you for not just giving in to the darkness. Keep fighting the good fight.

On a related note, it is possible that classical debate as we think of it is actually one of the worst persuasive techniques that we can use to try change someone's mind about something. Cliff notes, facts aren't enough. We have to remember to incorporate ethos and pathos into the structure of our persuasion and not rely solely on logos (facts). As liberals, we tend to be very reliant on logos but logos alone will almost never win a debate. Especially in the case of racism, bigotry, and sexism, logos will basically never ever win out over emotion and empathy or lack thereof.

This twitter thread goes into more detail on the matter:

oh wow & lol at the suggestion that the persuasion of the left "relies solely on facts"

what is lacking in current political climate is more reliance on facts, not the opposite

Ethos (the characteristic spirit of a culture, manifested in its beliefs and aspirations) and Pathos (a quality of an experience that stirs up emotions of pity, sympathy, and sorrow) are "real," just like facts are.

He's saying you can't win an argument with a trumper using facts because those don't really matter to them. I think that's a trap a lot of people fall into.

Not that you shouldn't use facts, just that that shouldn't be your sole tactic. It's very true, speaking from personal experience.

The problem comes though when you try to form an argument from pathos against people who already have very little empathy. That doesn't work very well either. You can try speaking to their own interests, but a lot of their interests are pretty horrible. So in my mind there's really no winning and why I am going the troll route.

Exactly. Or anybody for that matter, it's not just for Trumpers. If you're debating a liberal the very same thing applies. The truth is we are human as well.

It's funny because Hillary is irrelevant now. She is out of the picture yet it enflames.

Good point. Spouting off facts will only be effective if the listener has critical thinking skills. If not, like 100% of Trump voters, facts will not only be ignored, they'll be considered offensive and you'll just push them away. So you need to find a way to help them engage their brains.

For example say you're talking to a white coworker and want to convince him trump is a racist:

You: Trump is a racist! *lists off 3 or 4 of Trumps racist comments*

This should be effective, but since they kinda like some stuff about him and know a bunch of other people voted for him too, it just goes in one ear and out the other, and they trust you a little less.

I think something like this would be more effective:

You: I was talking to Billy Bob yesterday and he dropped the N bomb 3 times! Billy Bob is a racist POS amirite?!

This method accomplishes 2 things. It helps your coworker think about the times he himself used the N bomb, and it leaves a trail of breadcrumbs for his mind to follow. Eventually your coworker will start to connect Billy Bob to trump and come up with the fact Trump's a racist all on his own.

Damn this post sucks but you get the point lol

Nah that approach will just turn their minds to "lul look at this libtard play the race card again"

Or they'll be confused and dont understand why that's offensive to me because i'm white. I'm dead serious.

I had a feeling the rise of Trump had a lot to do with him being someone people want to be.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/5321/d...nt-ben-shapiro