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If you'd like to learn about it, you can actually read the studies about male and female brain differences and what is involved in gender dysphoric disorder.

Feeling very uncomfortable that you have the wrong important bits isn't a social thing. That people aren't nice is a problem, but it isn't the main problem.

Ok, link?

03-07-2016 , 07:29 PM

#153

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by wahoo3

Ok, link?

It is one characteristic of some gender dysphoric individuals - a feeling of disgust at their male or female bits.

It is separate from what others think of their bits and also separate from what others think of their disgust at their bits.

If you think that your having a penis is wrong and bad, it doesn't matter how many people tell you how magnificent it is. It also doesn't matter if they completely agree with you that your penis is a monstrosity.

03-07-2016 , 11:49 PM

#154

wahoo3

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

so, this is your opinion and not something that can be demonstrated in scientific studies then. and it seems like the article gansta posted seems to lend weight against your view, though we'd need to follow those kids through puberty with various/no treatment to know more.

03-08-2016 , 05:43 AM

#155

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by wahoo3

so, this is your opinion and not something that can be demonstrated in scientific studies then.

It is an official symptom of the disorder.

It also isn't my opinion that a runny nose is one of the symptoms of the common cold.

Quote:

and it seems like the article gansta posted seems to lend weight against your view, though we'd need to follow those kids through puberty with various/no treatment to know more.

I didn't say that support and acceptance don't eliminate the problematic symptoms of depression and anxiety.

Given that society is coming around to not freaking out at everyone who has gender differences, we've got a nice little scientific study going on right now.

03-09-2016 , 02:33 AM

#156

Wheel Gunner

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My apologies if this has been posted before. Here is a link to a restroom controversy.

http://www.king5.com/story/news/loca...rule/80478058/

Perhaps penis, non-penis, and "I don't care" facilities are more inclusive than male and female.

03-11-2016 , 12:59 AM

#157

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

It is an official symptom of the disorder.

It also isn't my opinion that a runny nose is one of the symptoms of the common cold.

Sorry, you're changing what you said. You didn't say that feeling like you have the wrong bits is by definition a symptom of the disorder, you said it is scientifically provably caused by having an opposite sexed brain and not caused by social pressure. Not going to belabor the point, i get what you were going for.

04-28-2016 , 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

Ok but we aren't having a thread about whether manic depression and borderline personality are both disorders and discussing the finer points of the different treatment approaches to each. It IS controversial to call it a disorder. Go on a Trans website and start telling them you have a disorder but hey its not like anorexia now let's focus on how to treat you.

Appeal to DSMIV will forever and always be laughable as well.

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

I guess my real question is: why is it helpful to agree to call it a disorder? Who does that benefit? Is it a tactic to try to get funding or something? If so, fine. The reason we need to call anorexia a disorder is because we sometimes have to involuntarily commit anorexics. It's hard to do that for a identity choice or whatever. Why do we need the word disorder for Trans people? Why can't we just say "are you happy great if not what can we do?"

Because healthcare/medicine cannot offer any sort of "treatment," for something that is not a disorder or medically identified issue. If bipolar was not a disorder, there would be no medication or therapy etc available for it. If transgender is indeed a mental disorder, and vast majority of us itt are not qualified to answer that, myself included, then it needs to be labeled as such so that there can be proper medical treatment options

05-01-2016 , 08:34 AM

#159

SuperUberBob

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Probably not a mental illness.

However there are many psychological disorders involving confusion over gender identity. There are ICD entries for transsexualism and dual-role transvestism along with a catchall called 'Gender Identity Disorder Not Otherwise Specified'

http://apps.who.int/classifications/...e/2015/en#/F64

05-03-2016 , 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Posting here because I value politics posters insight, and this is undeniably an ongoing political issue, mostly due to public facilities.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mich...der-sex-change

(Linking to "CNSNEWS" because I believe WSJ requires a subscription

Cliffs:

Former Chief of Psychaitric Medicine at John Hopkins Hospital and Chair of Psychiatry at the University likens Transgender patients to those suffering with anorexia - in other words, they believe they are fat, but are not (they believe they are the opposite gender, but are not). Calls it a mental disorder that should be treated, rather than indulged.

Thoughts? With a common sense approach, I find it hard to disagree with him, but find myself conflicted as I've always felt supportive of transgender rights.

Heh.... bolded reminds me of religious people attempting to find a reason to deny evolution

05-03-2016 , 09:08 PM

#161

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

I find it to be an interesting topic, but that doesn't mean I know a whole lot being neither trans nor trained in psychology. What I do know is that this doctor is at odds with the current consensus.

Well... appealing to authority could relieve you have the responsibility to make your own decision here. Most of the generals in North Korea will tell you Kim Jung Un is wonderful.... you see when authorities aren't allowed to have a dissenting opinion, they typically do not. Yes yes yes they're "technically allowed" but opinions from the soft sciences deviating too much out of leftist guidelines are ignored and their speakers non-platformed and laughed out of their field.

When we recognize this reality we can discuss these things more honestly.

05-03-2016 , 09:16 PM

#162

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Originally Posted by PyramidScheme

...opinions from the soft sciences deviating too much out of leftist guidelines are ignored and their speakers non-platformed and laughed out of their field.

When we recognize this reality we can discuss these things more honestly.

Don't be so scared of all that fancy book learning. Some of those fancy books even have graphs, tables, and cool colors.

05-07-2016 , 10:26 AM

#163

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Originally Posted by Lilu7

Transgender individuals object it being classified as a mental disorder, therefore, we shouldn't do that, is very faulty logic. The classification of psychiatric disorders is a science and a field of medicine, they need to focus on objectivity and being correct in order to maximize what "treatment" would be, if indeed it is a mental disorder where treatment other than gender re-assignment surgery can help

Because healthcare/medicine cannot offer any sort of "treatment," for something that is not a disorder or medically identified issue. If bipolar was not a disorder, there would be no medication or therapy etc available for it. If transgender is indeed a mental disorder, and vast majority of us itt are not qualified to answer that, myself included, then it needs to be labeled as such so that there can be proper medical treatment options

sorry but "treatment" for gayness and transgenderism historically has amounted to prayer, electroshock therapy, forced masterbation, and other types of abuse which are proven to be ineffectual and actually quite harmful. you can't take a pill for being gay the way you can for bi-polar disorder, and like you said, LGBT's object to it being called a "disorder" anyway, so it's not helpful at all to classify it as such

we don't need pills or therapy to cure or treat gayness and such, we need to just be better human beings and accept people for who they are when it comes to this sort of thing. remove the stigma, and it is no longer a "problem"

05-07-2016 , 12:51 PM

#164

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Originally Posted by PyramidScheme

It isn't a simple appeal to authority to go with the prevailing consensus of psychiatric research. Comparing psychology to North Korea is just lol.

05-12-2016 , 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberajack

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...click=sf_globe

How the fight over trans kids got a leading sex researcher fired

from nymag. now ofc i'm no expert and i'm sure there will be some article coming out tomorrow about why this author sucks and is wrong and all that jazz but i thought it was interesting. edit - i guess this is from february so i'm sure the rebuttals are already out there idk i'm dumb

this is what i get for following conservatives on twitter

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