@JohnRossBowie

a gentle reminder: The confederate flag is about 'states rights' the way the swastika is about 'fixing the German economy.'

Not just anyone, he's saying Coates is arguing against it in bad faith. LOL

Should pretty much be the summation of any Southern retelling of the Civil War and the slave trade.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...bby-lee/38813/

Honestly the national review article sums up the identity politics on the right that's hidden in plain sight. We have an author talking about left wing American obsession about identity in an article defending the Conference flag, a literal marker of identity.

We have the "It's complex" and the Civil War wasn't good vs evil, when one of the sides is a slave empire aristocracy. It doesn't matter how complex it is the slave empire aristocracy is going to have its thumb on the evil side

We have major Republican nominees citing virtually any reason other than racism for the issue at hand. Like TNC said, it maybe heritage not hate, but it's also shame. Shame that this kid knew the logical conclusion of all this talk about the fear that black kids can freely beat up white kids in Obama's America, the implicit fear that if the lazy, enslaved to liberals, blacks ever got in charge they'd run amok and have hip hop bbqs instead actually doing their duty, and he acted on it.

When faced with the logical conclusion people feign ignorance or innocence.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...tm_source=SFFB

Another NRO article

So it turns out the heritage not hate line isn't exactly true if it were even genuine in the first place.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...g-reihan-salam

Apparently the uncle of the shooter saw his face on TV and contacted police with info that led to his capture. So there are at least some people in the family who arent white supremacists.

What gets me is that this **** isn't ancient history. Like, there are plenty of people walking around out there who remember the 60s. The rest of us have a kind of basic cultural knowledge of that ****. We've certainly all seen how hate groups and other elements of the bottom-feeding white trash have latched on to the Confederate flag. Who do they think they're fooling?

Was the Ft. Hood shooter labeled as a terrorist right away? I know right wing media jumped on it, but I don't remember what actual media said.

The irony, of course, is that what the Confederate flag symbolized in the civil rights era, although very racist, was actually much less racist than what it stood for during the Civil War and immediately thereafter.

This seems odd unless he just provided a name. They had a very good image of him and his car from the security footage and I just read an article about the lady that spotted his car and followed him while talking police to his location so not sure what else his uncle did.

Saw this quote this morning and almost cried. Friendly people welcome a complete stranger into what I imagine was a very closely knit group and then get killed despite being kind enough that it was even recognized by a sociopath.

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The man who gunned down nine parishioners at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, told police that he "almost didn't go through with it because everyone was so nice to him," sources told NBC News.

And yet Dylann Roof decided he had to "go through with his mission."
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/cha...ooting-n378341

I don't remember either. I was just lol'ing at ike's overt Islamophobia. It was so blatant I'm not sure if it wasn't sarcasm.

You can pretend like there's an equal distribution of motivation once you know the religious background of a mass shooter in the western world for your own edification, but facts are going to go the other way. It's been much easier to discern motivations of people who make their motivation known easily. That's true for most Muslim terrorists and this guy. There's no subtlety

I apologize for the format, but nobody has storyfied it yet, but this dude's 27 tweet ethering of those ****ing NRO clowns is tremendous:
https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/611731203503341568

P.S. NRO was posting apartheid-friendly **** about South Africa and articles about the plight of the white man in Zimbabawe like, right up until Mandela's death.

America has had more terrorist attacks by white men than by Muslims if any race or gender.

This dude literally told people ahead of the time he was doing it to start a civil war. He assassinated a black politician, and left a survivor to tell people why he did it. He got away driving a car with a Confederate flag license plate.

And?
Yeah might want to read my post, specifically the part about how subtle he was.

And whenever a Muslim does anything the first assumption is he is a terrorist. When a white guy does the same if not worse the first assumption is he is crazy.

But while you include this guy in there, people still won't call it a terrorist attack except on the fringes, because he's white.

Here's the WSJ editorial board, TODAY:

Chiefsplanet assures me that Obama's divisive rhetoric is mostly responsible for this.

Your first post made it seem like you thought a Muslim shooters motives would be "more obvious" than the dude who's rocking all the gear of the racist diaspora. Now you're walking that back?

I made no such assertion. That's you reading things not said.

lol