Because after the fact a court can determine that the perpetrator failed in his attempt to kill you, or that he stopped short of killing you. It is unreasonable to assume that a person being assaulted can just decide "I don't think he's really going to kill me with this gun, knife, beating etc... I'll just let him continue instead of defending myself".

You quoted the wrong person somehow

Anyways you just have to think that person is about to assault you and fear you'll be injured and it justifies deadly force under the proposed law. Like I told wil or whoever it was the other day I don't really care to argue about this specific law anymore as the Iowa Senate won't pass it so it won't matter anyways. We can argue more generally in the poll thread :P

Show your work.

I'd even lower it to 90% to make it easier for you.

And please try not acting like you're not blaming the victim when it's so obvious that you are. Hence the quote above.

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Thread needs a funnier, more ikes related name.

sorry I prolly got confused during the merge.

OK but as I see it you would still have to have a reasonable fear for your life or permanent injury given the new Iowa law you cited or the Fla law we are talking about ITT. And I think that is the part that you are missing. IE someone would have to be threatening you with a weapon or a group of thugs are trying to strong arm you at minimum. In all of these laws you have to prove that the treat was real.

I get what your saying, it is bad if you can just say "yah It was self defense" and the cops say "kewl have a nice day sir" but thats not what is happening in this case or others.

The Tragic Blaming of White People

LOL like a Fly to honey.

He also went around knocking doors warning the neighbors of criminals and asking if they had seen any black men around

No wonder this thread is confusing as **** to read. WTF mods?

That is pretty much what happened in this case until people made a **** storm out of it though.

fyp

they are doing the best they can, give em a break they are drunker than we are.

Are we talking about the same case here? The cops were pretty much defending him in the press and also subtly blaming the victim (I bet he'd of done something different that day!) so I'm at a loss to why you would think that.

ETA:

Saying that the shooter claimed selfdefense and that they are investigating != defending.

Well I think it is a poor choice of words and not something I would put out in press statement like that but... Calling your girlfriend instead of the cops and thinking "ima put my hoodie on and duck between these houses" is a pretty terrible decision. If he thought the guy was stalking him the best thing to do would be stay out in the lighted street and call the cops. So yes I think that in hindsight he would have done something different.

LOL.

Meh, don't really see the point of merging threads. Lock the latest one, tell us to continue in the relevant thread and be done with it imo.

That's good blame the victim mentality. The guy was being stalked by a crazy person. He did the best he could to try and avoid a gun toting crazy person.

It was all in the monthly NC thread...

No I was just pointing out the numerous mistakes he made, and there are more. The best way to not become a victim is to not set yourself up to become one. Not trying to be a jerk just pointing out decisions that he made were not the wisest.

He made ZERO mistakes. I can make the inference from your posting history as to why you feel this way. It's not that complicated to figure out why you blame this guy and back the openly racist and corrupt cops. I'm not an idiot NeBlis.

His mistake was walking outside while being black.

WAT? im just pointing oout something I was thinking about. I was thinking of what I would have done if I was this him. What do you think I'm saying? I don't think that Zimmerman did much of anything other than be outside that was justifiable give the evidence. That doesn't meen that I cant look at the other things that happened and critique them as well. At the end of the day the fault for this falls squarely at Zimmerman's feet, that doesn't mean others didn't make mistakes.




GMAFB thats not even close to what I'm saying.

Neblis, I was not born yesterday. You were making excuses for opening racist cops and blaming a guy murder victim for trying to get away from his murderer. You've done this before and I have a strange feeling you'll do it again.

Case Closed... reading your post again I guess you are trying to pull some Fly style accusation of me as a racist? Is that what your getting at? Seriously? If so FU if not plz explain what you ment.

What is with certain people and their inescapable need to constantly blame the victim? Poor people are lazy, worthless, leeches on society. Employers should have every freedom in the world, because after all they are the OWNERS, and they should have every leverage over their employees. And now, unarmed people who are gunned down in the street, well they should have known better, clearly.