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Old 06-21-2012, 03:21 PM   #10486
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From the written statement: "As I slid the suspect covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing. At this point I felt the suspect reach for my now exposed firearm and say 'Your gonna die tonight Mother ****er." I unholstered my firearm. In fear for my life as he had assured he was going to kill me and fired one shot into his torso."

There's nothing in the statement about how long his mouth and nose were covered. In the 911 call with the yells / screams, there are several pauses of at least a couple of seconds, including one shortly before the gun shot. I am not convinced by GZ and I do think there may be some other inconsistencies, but this isn't one of them.
In the video reenactment he sort of glosses over the holding his mouth/nose part and places it earlier in the scuffle than the written statement. LDO he could have had his event timing off a bit. IMO it's a bigger issue of how he can cover his mouth/nose such that he can't breath while at the same time seeing the gun, saying 'You're going to die' and reaching for said gun. In addition to GZ being able to pull it and shoot with no trouble, it seems odd.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:21 PM   #10487
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His walking between the houses to find a street sign story is a lie. He even admits in the video I just posted he knows the street is Retreat View Circle. He was just out for an evening stroll looking for addresses when the "suspect" attacked him? Anyway, he is a bad actor and even a worse at lying.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:23 PM   #10488
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In the video reenactment he sort of glosses over the holding his mouth/nose part and places it earlier in the scuffle than the written statement.
This would be a worse inconsistency. To be fair, eyewitness testimony always involves inconsistencies; the question is whether this is the sort of inconsistency involved in a made-up story or the kind of inconsistency that normally comes along with eyewitness testimony.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:46 PM   #10489
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There are three streets in that neighborhood (retreat view circle and two others), not so hard to remember right?
True story: I've lived in my current house for three years. There's a street parallel to my street that you actually have to turn on to get to my street. I have no idea what the name of that street is.

So it's plausible that he honestly doesn't know the name of the other street.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:56 PM   #10490
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True story: I've lived in my current house for three years. There's a street parallel to my street that you actually have to turn on to get to my street. I have no idea what the name of that street is.

So it's plausible that he honestly doesn't know the name of the other street.
Do you routinely patrol your neighborhood as some sort of watch group? Do you call the cops dozens of times where you would, seemingly, need to know addresses to give them to direct them towards the trouble you're seeing?
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:04 PM   #10491
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True story: I've lived in my current house for three years. There's a street parallel to my street that you actually have to turn on to get to my street. I have no idea what the name of that street is.

So it's plausible that he honestly doesn't know the name of the other street.
Yeah, plausible but he went away from the street he was on between the Back of the townhouses, not chasing Tray of course, towards retreat view circle to figure out the street his car was on?
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:08 PM   #10492
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True story: I've lived in my current house for three years. There's a street parallel to my street that you actually have to turn on to get to my street. I have no idea what the name of that street is.

So it's plausible that he honestly doesn't know the name of the other street.
This is very common, it isn't merely plausible. There is a one block stretch that comes into my neighborhood which I traverse at least twice every day, and I have no idea what it is called. Within my neighborhood there are many streets I can't name that I walk, run, bike or drive on frequently, and I've lived there 16 years.

Those who give this as evidence of lying are morons.
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:11 PM   #10493
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Is your neighborhood 3 streets?
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:42 PM   #10494
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Is your neighborhood 3 streets?
I mean he told the dispatch he was chasing him and he told the police he was looking for an address/not chasing. You don't need a homicide detective to see that he is lying, three streets in the neighborhood or not.
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:49 PM   #10495
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Being the neighborhood watch guy and not knowing the name of the three streets in your neighborhood is certainly odd, I mean if he saw someone actually committing a crime, how was he planning on calling it in??

I wonder if by reviewing all his 911 calls they have found that he used that steet name before on a previous call.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:31 PM   #10496
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There were screams right up untill the gunshot. How do you scream with your mouth and nose closed? Smothered my ass. Lies and more lies. He chased the kid, he admitted this to the dispatch and has tried to change it to the street sign story. There are three streets in that neighborhood (retreat view circle and two others), not so hard to remember right?
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Yeah, plausible but he went away from the street he was on between the Back of the townhouses, not chasing Tray of course, towards retreat view circle to figure out the street his car was on?
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I mean he told the dispatch he was chasing him and he told the police he was looking for an address/not chasing. You don't need a homicide detective to see that he is lying, three streets in the neighborhood or not.
911 dispatcher:
Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:
OK. [2:28]

Why do we need to persist with pejoratives? GZ didn't chase. He didn't stalk. He followed. There is a difference. It is legal for GZ to exit his truck and it is legal for GZ to follow TM. It is NOT legal for TM to punch GZ in the face. It IS legal for GZ to defend himself and "meet force with force if that force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm or the commission of a forcible felony."

GZ can be lying through his teeth about looking for addresses. It really doesn't matter if the altercation started the way GZ said it did. The physical evidence supports GZ's story and there are no eyewitnesses to the start of the fight. That doesn't leave the prosecution with a whole lot.

BTW, one thing that the release of these videos showed me was that the police did a pretty damn thorough job of interrogating GZ. He was not 'just released' because it was a 'white guy' shooting a black teenager.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:42 PM   #10497
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Im curious why you skipped the part earlier where he says "he is running". Following someone who is running is the textbook definition of chasing.

Also it is legal for TM to punch GZ under Florida's stand your ground laws as GZ made a move that indicated he went for a weapon, which he actually had on him, even if he didnt actually go for the weapon as he claims.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:48 PM   #10498
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I bet an intrade market would have tons of action on this case. I guess it is too hard to define.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:49 PM   #10499
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From the written statement: "As I slid the suspect covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing. At this point I felt the suspect reach for my now exposed firearm and say 'Your gonna die tonight Mother ****er." I unholstered my firearm. In fear for my life as he had assured he was going to kill me and fired one shot into his torso."

There's nothing in the statement about how long his mouth and nose were covered. In the 911 call with the yells / screams, there are several pauses of at least a couple of seconds, including one shortly before the gun shot. I am not convinced by GZ and I do think there may be some other inconsistencies, but this isn't one of them.
Anyone else hear this in Samuel Jackson voice?
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Old 06-21-2012, 07:02 PM   #10500
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This is the bombshell interview tape? A few minor inconsistencies in GZs story, but no smoking gun imo.
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