From my limited exposure to GZ's lawyer, I'd say he strikes me as not an especially talented or effective lawyer, which would answer a lot.

Brandishing is a crime. If GZ had pulled out his gun and approached TM it is a crime. This likely would have prevented TM's death, but I don't think the prosecution can argue that GZ should have prevented the incident by brandishing his gun.

Note - brandishing is not a crime if you pull the gun in self-defense, but until the altercation began, GZ couldn't claim self-defense.

You can call bull**** on GZ's account because of a) how he presented a mere 30-35 minutes after the shooting, and b) how certain things he's said are not panning out, according to the evidence actually known.

http://www.familyimpactseminars.org/s_ncfis03c01.pdf

From the article: "Data show that serious violent crime peaks during the late teenage years and declines steadily as individuals move into their late 20s. Moreover, although 15- to 19-year-olds represent approximately seven percent of the total US population, they account for more than 20 percent of all violent
crimes in the United States."

Wake up.

From what I can tell the biggest difference is I haven't smoked concrete.



This. The ground is pretty hard and I can def see GZ saying sidewalk when it was really the ground that his head was smashed into.

Ya I deleted the post, bad habit.

I was saying trying GZ would prbly be bad news for the prosecution.

But of all the different realistic scenarios, even among the legal ones, there are very few where GZ needed to shoot him

I don't really understand why the Martin family has a lawyer at this point. It's not like he's going to be involved in the prosecution of the case and it seems like he might be walking a fine line with witness tampering re: interviewing the GF prior to the police.

Exchange 'bashed' for whatever other word you wish to use. I thought I had read that the police report corroborated GZ had lacerations on the back of his head.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have smacked my head on concrete before, had it be really goddamn painful, and not had a cut.

If someone had my head in their hands, was knocking it against concrete hard enough to break the skin, I'm pretty sure I might believe that I could sustain a life-threatening injury in the very near future.

Lol, funny story DBJ.

Huh?

That's absurd, and is called an illegal fishing expedition. You don't go to court to figure out if there is evidence sufficient to prosecute. Before prosecuting it's required that the state 1) thinks the accused is guilty, 2) thinks they have sufficient evidence to convict, and 3) in a capital case in FL they must then get a grand jury indictment, which requires a group of citizens to agree with the district attorney in order to protect the accused from a frivolous prosecution. After all that, then you can go to court.

The grand jury is expected to happen in this case. They'll decide if there is sufficient evidence to go to court. Perhaps that's what you meant.

Hey guess what, people estimate that there is evidence to prosecute.

This is silly. You can't be involved with "witness tampering" when the investigation's been closed, which it was.

This thread has gone full retard.

1) Please stop with the pro/anti-gun ****. If nothing else, GZ is a nutcase that is a shining example that guns don't kill people, stupid people improperly using guns kill people. That's it. End of story. Take it to the GC thread ffs.

2) Stop speculating on who you'd take in a fight. Nobody has any clue as to the fighting ability of either guy, and being athletic means jack **** in a close-range scuffle. Have any of you actually been in a fight? Even with a 100-lb. gap between the two, either one of these guys could've got the drop on the other, and again, we have no idea if, when, and how said encounter ensued.

3) DBJ, why do you keep asking why wouldn't TM bolt after fists of furying GZ in a full mount? It's a stupid question to which I ask, why would he? If you get my point, you'll understand that nobody has any ****ing clue how TM would reason the situation. He's ****ing 17-year-old kid that even if he's arrogant, cocky, and was kicking GZ's ass you have no idea if he's in fear for his life or just beating him senseless having no idea that he had a gun on him. It's a futile exercise to which the answer is pointless.

4) A reasonable person would've stayed in their vehicle and waited for the cops. A reasonable person would've stayed in their vehicle and waited for the cops. A reasonable person would've stayed in their vehicle and waited for the cops. A reasonable person would've stayed in their vehicle and waited for the cops. A reasonable person would've stayed in their vehicle and waited for the cops. A reasonable person would've stayed in their vehicle and waited for the cops. A reasonable person would've stayed in their vehicle and waited for the cops! The 911 operator even told GZ not to chase TM. The 911 operator even told GZ not to chase TM. The 911 operator even told GZ not to chase TM. The 911 operator even told GZ not to chase TM. The 911 operator even told GZ not to chase TM. The 911 operator even told GZ not to chase TM!

5) Does anybody know the angle at which TM was shot?