Is there a thread where we discuss the Trayvon Martin case? With the information we have it looks like a clear case of a racist police department.

This is more of a "this is what happens when everyone is allowed to have guns" issue than a racial issue, but certainly that comes into play as well.

I searched for a thread on this too. Then I noticed the GUNS ARE GREAT thread at the top of the Politics forum page where people are trying to search for rare AK-47s to add to their collection and I realized that I shouldn't be surprised there isn't a thread.

Yup if only guns were illegal then no one would die.

Theoretical question:

If we could guarantee that 1000 fewer children would die every year if guns were illegal, would it be worth it to you? Obv assume just a simple 1k flat reduction in deaths. Just wondering how important a human life is in your opinion.

Also, because I know you love to assume incorrectly and I love to correct your incorrect assumptions, I do not believe guns should be illegal unless things drastically change with regard to law enforcement.

FYP

Oh my.

Not a chance, because guns are used ~2.5M times a year in self defense.

2.5M>>1k IMO but you're the teacher iirc so you can correct my math if I'm wrong.

the topic is being discussed in "3rd Grader Shoots Another Third Grader, Yay Guns!" and FTR it's at least 99% about racism. It might be 1% about guns, probably less than that.

Where the Trayvon Martin thing is disturbing isn't the gun stuff- it's that they're unable to press charges while the dude's claiming self defense, yet if you listen to the 911 calls you've likely got a crackpot who is freaked out there's a black person on the loose. Combine that with the fact that it seems the like authorities basically coached him and didn't treat him as much of a suspect and it's all very unsavory.

Yeah we have talked about it in the various gun threads. cliffs version is given the evidence that we have the neighborhood watch guy is a minimum a complete idiot and at most a murderer.

Make an OP if you like, I considered making one. But it will likely break down into arguing about racism and claims that the gun jumped out of the guys holster and shot the kid.

The 911 tapes from that unarmed black kid shooting make the people who call 911 seem like idiots. I know that's unfair because some of them are old women and it's stressful but there's a lot of "some guy is yelling for help, I dunno, it's in my backyard so you should send the cops?"

I'd like to think that if somebody on my porch was yelling for help I'd at least go outside to see what's up.

IF you could guarantee that then maybe we would have something to talk about. But since it is a fact that prohibition doesn't work, and the law of large numbers guarantees that some number of kids will die in accidents of some sort this is really a nonstarter. Outside of "Dormroom Bull**** tm" conversations about majic wands that is.

that kind of enforcement would have to be an absolute police state the likes of which the world has never seen, and still likely wouldn't work.

One of the calls you could tell the lady was terrified. She can clearly hear him yelling for help, and says that, but says there is no way she is going out there because she doesn't know what's going on and he sounds so terrified.

The call where you hear him screaming and then hear the gunshot is pretty awful.

Dude is claiming it was him we're hearing screaming for help but I find that hard to believe as it's cut off clearly at the gunshot.

The fact that the 911 operator told the murderer not to go after him and he did so anyway, with a gun, disqualifies him from a self-defense defense imo.

Unfortunately legally it doesn't