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It appears you are the one who is upset that anyone has the nerve to suggest that the media going HAM at cops can be bad for their safety, and ultimately, bad for the safety of the general public.

Mickey isn't mad. In fact, he has never been mad, he's actually laughing.

08-18-2015 , 03:52 PM

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LetsGambool

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Originally Posted by MickeyB105

It appears you are the one who is upset that anyone has the nerve to suggest that the media going HAM at cops can be bad for their safety, and ultimately, bad for the safety of the general public.

Right, your suggestion is that the media "going HAM" made it so the cop couldn't even safely gun down the unarmed black man (still waiting to know when you thought that might be a good shoot). Why you couldn't just outright say that and had to dance around it, well, only you know that.

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Mickey isn't mad. In fact, he has never been mad, he's actually laughing.

He's so not mad he can't tell if he's talking to me or Phil.

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08-18-2015 , 07:57 PM

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Wait you guys are seriously arguing that a suspect refused to stay in the car, then punched the cop (and as we know now went for the gun immediately after - so it must have been an extremely aggressive attack) - that cop isn't allowed to shoot the person? What's the weather like on your planet?

08-18-2015 , 07:59 PM

#12429

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Generally damp and grey.

08-18-2015 , 08:03 PM

#12430

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by MickeyB105

Nice catch, gotta love auto-correct.

The last thing I would want to do is strike LG, I prefer him soft and fuzzy.

If it had been LG I would have noticed because no-one threatens my mate LG.

08-18-2015 , 08:06 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Barcalounger

May be slow ponied on this, but This American Life recently did an interesting podcast "The Problem We All Live With" about integration in our schools. Specifically what happened when the Normandy school that Michael Brown somehow graduated from finally lost it's accreditation after 15 years on probation.

Seconded.

08-18-2015 , 09:10 PM

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[Phill]

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

This is what I'm talking about how American cops escalate to the point that they can then justify shooting a suspect.

Its a traffic stop. How the hell did he lose control to the point he could get punched and how did the situation get created where the suspect could come close to getting his sidearm?

08-19-2015 , 12:13 AM

#12433

LetsGambool

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Thats not the fact pattern in the article. To be fair the article gives sort of contradictory/non existent fact patterns, but that's mostly because it's a load of propaganda designed to let the Mickeybs of the world mad that cops can't just shoot black people at will.

08-24-2015 , 04:33 PM

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/us/fer...court-changes/

Yay.

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The municipal court judge in Ferguson, Missouri, on Monday announced sweeping changes to the city's court system, including an order to withdraw all arrest warrants issued in that city before December 31, 2014.

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08-31-2015 , 11:52 PM

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David Sklansky

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Part of the problem involves the technical fact that there is a big gap between a cop's strongest weapon and his second strongest one. So if he is facing someone who can't be subdued with the second strongest he uses something that is unjustifiably dangerous.

The solution of course is to not put yourself in a position where you need to use unjustifiable force, by avoiding confrontations with people who are stronger than your second strongest weapon. Instead you should wait for backup even if that might let someone get away.

Critics of this idea will say that it is not fair that someone should get this chance to get away simply because they surpass the second strongest weapon. Most people aren't that strong and they will thus get caught for sure. And its not fair. But so what? Unless the criminal is so dangerous that the strongest weapon is actually the appropriate one to take him down, we have a situation of Type 1 vs Type 2 errors. And the error of killing someone who doesn't deserve it is much greater than the error of letting all but the worst criminals undeservedly get away.

09-02-2015 , 02:11 PM

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How the Baltimore PD has been using their twitter account as a propaganda tool

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Individual tweets were often framed as safety advisories, but together they created a selective narrative of events that later bled into news coverage. On Monday afternoon at 3:01 pm the department warned on Twitter and Facebook about “a group of juveniles in the area of Mondawmin Mall. Expect traffic delays in the area.” Half an hour later the police said that kids had started throwing bricks; 15 minutes after that the department reported that an officer had been hurt. Later, media accounts would describe a violent riot started by teens who were hungry for a fight. But as eyewitnesses pointed out, the cops had shown up in full riot gear just as a high school near the mall was letting out. The police shut down the subway station and the bus lines, effectively trapping the students. “Those kids were set up, they were treated like criminals before the first brick was thrown,” one teacher wrote. Social media functioned as a sort of virtual riot gear, manufacturing the narrative of violence in the digital realm as the police were escalating it on the ground.

“Someone follows the police Twitter feed for two reasons, the first being public safety. I want to know if there’s a crime in my neighborhood, or a road blockage,” said Jacob Simpson, the pastor of the Salem Lutheran Church in south Baltimore. “Or, someone follows it as a cheerleader of the police department.” Simpson’s impression is that the police are using social media to cater to the latter, and at the expense of safety. “Their job is to provide a basic account of where hotspots are, but they are editorializing…. They’re galvanizing people who have this nasty narrative about what’s going on.”

http://www.thenation.com/article/are...or-propaganda/

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