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The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: No Indictment, No Peace The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: No Indictment, No Peace

12-02-2014 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr McGriddle
ha this is more typical of the quality of posting expected here.
Hey man I'm just asking questions. I have no idea if Wilson is a murderous racist POS but you can't help but wondering.
12-02-2014 , 01:51 PM
If Brown was able to channel mystical energies to focus his Chi, that would be perfectly consistent with Wilson's description of a bulked-up demon, and it would be perfectly consistent with all of the physical evidence.
12-02-2014 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Wilson was not small and played varsity hockey.
but was he gentle or not?
12-02-2014 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by duffee
My point is EYESCREW's: "Poor White people are poor for the exact same reasons poor Black people are poor."
EYESCREW identified white privilege as a significant reason why white poors are poor. Do you agree with him?
12-02-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr McGriddle
but was he gentle or not?
He didn't seem too gentle when being video taped.
12-02-2014 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
Yes it is. Not playing to win is the definition punting. The entire GJ system is set up to favor the prosecutor and allow cases to proceed. Dumping the evidence wasn't done because the DA wanted justice, it was done because he wanted cover. And he got it, because people can't see the obvious double standard with regards to the way prosecutors handle cases involving the police vs. the way they handle cases involving the public.
Which implies the DA had a winnable case and believed in it. But wanted to protect DW.

It is more likely that he did not believe there was sufficient evidence and wanted cover for his decision. Which the system is set up for the DA not proceeding in the first place and not even taking the step to the GJ.
12-02-2014 , 01:54 PM
Some of the DW supporters bring MB size into this like he had no choice but to shoot him. I really wish the data on police shootings was available as I would really guess that while female officers make up a much smaller % of officers, I would bet they are using lethal force much less often as well. This is despite being much smaller in size. Maybe, could they be using their training and putting themselves in terrible situations which lead to fear based responses less often?

I can't remember one case otoh where a female officer was in trouble for perhaps wrongly killing a suspect, even though there obviously has to be examples.
12-02-2014 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ogallalabob
Which implies the DA had a winnable case and believed in it. But wanted to protect DW.

It is more likely that he did not believe there was sufficient evidence and wanted cover for his decision. Which the system is set up for the DA not proceeding in the first place and not even taking the step to the GJ.
No, it really isn't. He's the same guy who protected the cops when they fired 50+ shots into a parked car because the police lied and said the car was "trying to ram them." He didn't try to win that very winnable case either. He has a long, storied history of not going after officers. We've said this for months. Please, follow along.

Like, the basic cliffs of that story is they had an informant in a car with a suspect and were about to make an arrest when they just unloaded into the car for no reason and nobody was charged. This is who you are protecting.
12-02-2014 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
If he did the "same thing" then the shopkeeper would have been right to shoot him dead too, right?
Just a wild guess, Missouri is a stand-your-ground state isn't it?
12-02-2014 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ogallalabob
Which implies the DA had a winnable case and believed in it. But wanted to protect DW.

It is more likely that he did not believe there was sufficient evidence and wanted cover for his decision. Which the system is set up for the DA not proceeding in the first place and not even taking the step to the GJ.
And that's why we see thousands of other instances in which the DA just dumps the evidence onto the GJ table and throws up his hands, right?
12-02-2014 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
No, it really isn't. He's the same guy who protected the cops when they fired 50+ shots into a parked car because the police lied and said the car was "trying to ram them." He didn't try to win that very winnable case either. He has a long, storied history of not going after officers. We've said this for months. Please, follow along.
The facts couldn't even produce an INDICTMENT. Prosecutors are in the business of trying cases they believe are winnable, not the ones that they would be embarrassed by some TTTT grad, public defender.
12-02-2014 , 02:07 PM
Man JAAASH, quoting that post and saying "The facts couldn't get an indictment" can't give you a worse look. Not getting an indictment on the MB case is a huge failure for a prosecutor. It's a guy failing at his job, on purpose. That you also quote the post where he shrugged off an even worse murder by officers shows you really just don't give a ****, but that's why you were perma'd in the first place. Sucks you had to come back and keep posting terribly, but oh well.
12-02-2014 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Hey guys, let's stop pretending DW was some perfect hero cop before this incident. He was captured on video threatening to arrest someone for taping him.
That is disgusting in itself. Should be an automatic firing and charges/law suit brought for denial of civil rights.
12-02-2014 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
EYESCREW identified white privilege as a significant reason why white poors are poor. Do you agree with him?

I think that's the significant reason why poors are poor, irrespective of race.
12-02-2014 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
And that's why we see thousands of other instances in which the DA just dumps the evidence onto the GJ table and throws up his hands, right?
No. But anyone listening to the DA summarizing evidence knows what he thinks about the case. So what was the purpose of the GJ? to provide political cover. Any other case does not even get to the GJ.

Understand if someone wants to complain about the DA decsions. Maybe he has biases, everyone does. Maybe you disagree with his decisions. But if anything the GJ was an unnecessary step and if anything it should not have been presented given the DA's take on the evidence.
12-02-2014 , 02:15 PM
"Why indict someone when you don't expect to win" is a fine point, and it would be great if it were standard practice for DAs to not charge people with things they don't think they can prove, instead of using those charges as a threat to get people to plead guilty to something else.

This being the one case anyone knows about where GJ was treated this way doesn't prove DW is guilty, but it does prove that everyone responsible needs to be removed from duty and the federal government should probably take over the police department and DAs office until they can all be replaced.
12-02-2014 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Man JAAASH, quoting that post and saying "The facts couldn't get an indictment" can't give you a worse look. Not getting an indictment on the MB case is a huge failure for a prosecutor. It's a guy failing at his job, on purpose. That you also quote the post where he shrugged off an even worse murder by officers shows you really just don't give a ****, but that's why you were perma'd in the first place. Sucks you had to come back and keep posting terribly, but oh well.
Why would he want to try a case he would get smacked down by anyone with a TTTT law degree? The facts weren't even there to indict Officer Darren Wilson. Where are they coming from to actually prove any wrongdoing at the much much higher standard of beyond a reasonable doubt ? The state would be beaten far worse in the courtroom in this case than the state of Florida was in the Zimmerman case.
12-02-2014 , 02:17 PM
JAAASH,

Of course Wilson's story looks airtight when no one bothers to question it.
12-02-2014 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ogallalabob
No. But anyone listening to the DA summarizing evidence knows what he thinks about the case. So what was the purpose of the GJ? to provide political cover. Any other case does not even get to the GJ.

Understand if someone wants to complain about the DA decsions. Maybe he has biases, everyone does. Maybe you disagree with his decisions. But if anything the GJ was an unnecessary step and if anything it should not have been presented given the DA's take on the evidence.
OK, so conceded, the DA is trying to bury this case and public pressure forced him to impanel a sham grand jury rather than just discreetly drop all charges. What's the point here?
12-02-2014 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by duffee

I think that's the significant reason why poors are poor, irrespective of race.
That's it. Regardless of race, if you are born out of wedlock to a mother under the age of 20 who did not graduate from high school, you have a good chance of living your childhood in poverty.
12-02-2014 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
OK, so conceded, the DA is trying to bury this case and public pressure forced him to impanel a sham grand jury rather than just discreetly drop all charges. What's the point here?
Drop all charges? What was Darren Wilson charged with?
12-02-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Man JAAASH, quoting that post and saying "The facts couldn't get an indictment" can't give you a worse look. Not getting an indictment on the MB case is a huge failure for a prosecutor. It's a guy failing at his job, on purpose. That you also quote the post where he shrugged off an even worse murder by officers shows you really just don't give a ****, but that's why you were perma'd in the first place. Sucks you had to come back and keep posting terribly, but oh well.
I guess this is a brilliant play by the DA. I wouldn't have expected so many people to be fooled by it, but I guess they are more interested in strengthening their views rather than challenging them.

LOL the facts couldn't get an indictment.
12-02-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
JAAASH,

Of course Wilson's story looks airtight when no one bothers to question it.
Nobody looking at this evidence at all. The people just accepted the wisdom of the grand jury and have not even taken a peak at all that evidence.


Come on, man.
12-02-2014 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
So now Brown is some kind of Tai Chi master who can channel his vital energy?

Christ, people, your team won. You don't have to make **** up.
Nobody wins when races are fighting like this.
12-02-2014 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
"Why indict someone when you don't expect to win" is a fine point, and it would be great if it were standard practice for DAs to not charge people with things they don't think they can prove, instead of using those charges as a threat to get people to plead guilty to something else.

This being the one case anyone knows about where GJ was treated this way doesn't prove DW is guilty, but it does prove that everyone responsible needs to be removed from duty and the federal government should probably take over the police department and DAs office until they can all be replaced.
Exactly. The double standard is disgusting.

If Brown had lived through the shooting, do you think this DA would just dump the evidence on the table at his GJ trial?

      
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