Zuckmentum in particular borders on nihilistic. What possible path leads you to Zuckerberg other than that's he's rich and famous and not openly evil? Even if you wanted a business guy, wouldn't you want somebody from an old-style business that revolved around internal politics and dealmaking and actually employed a bunch of people? How is coding popular software and getting into acrimonious fights with co-founders supposed to prepare you for being president?

EDIT: Essential MZ parody tweets:

Yeah. Getting into acrimonious fights with the founders is more of a Supreme Court thing.

bobman, your edit murdered my lame joke.

So CNN is running multiple articles that Kennedy will retire from the supreme court soon. In that context, man on man, what a decision the Hillary = Trump people who stayed home made.

As affable as he is, having attended conferences in which he spoke and a fortunate incident that resulted in direct interaction, I have to say Wozniak would be pretty far down the list in terms of tech icons I would want involved in politics. Both from a perspective of being out of touch with some of the coming technological revolution, and from a sense of political naivete that could have him listening to all of the wrong things from all of the wrong people. Interesting and genuinely pleasant guy though.

As for Musk, I read a recent litany of tweets comparing him to Robert Moses the other day and I have to say the criticism was not without merit. I would need to be convinced that his visionary prowess for the betterment of humanity included a large recognition for lifting up the underprivileged and impoverished, along with full advocation for UBI before I would direct my efforts towards mobilizing support.

lol @ anyone who votes zuck and media who supports him

pelosi is an unreal idiot, she actually thinks trump supporters will leave. Despite all evidence to the contrary with trump voters still standing behind him after phrases such as , "trump's gonna end your healthcare, you will die, literally, you will die, this isn't a joke you will die" and "the pipeline is going right through your farmland and house, which means you'll probably lose everything"

if dems do nothing, they're gonna really struggle in 2020. Any 18 gains will be purely only b/c people don't want a ****ing dictatorship.

Ya'll have some pretty ****ing high standards for presidents.

Woz is a clear front-runner, but I also nominate Craig Newmark for the internet/computer dweeb party.

Elon Musk would be scary. He might dedicate the whole government to Roko's Basilisk.

This would cause all hell to break loose.

I get that people are upset with our elected officials and have little faith in them but this obsession with "outsiders" that have zero qualifications to be president is astonishingly bad. Also, just because you think their views may align with yours doesn't make it any better. Surely, some experience in government at this point should be common sense...

Back in the day, a guy like that would have gotten carried out of here on a stretcher.

I mean he is pretty old and in theory he should want to stay on so that none of his historic rulings are threatened, but who knows. The guy is 80.

Then again, if he stuck around until after the next Presidential election, he'd be the 10th longest serving Justice of all time.

I think Facebook is a modest net negative in society at present, though perhaps that will change.

But it's not surprising that nobody has built something better. Growing a business to Internet scale is extraordinarily hard. The technical, organizational, cultural, and strategic challenges are enormous.

Facebook has executed almost peerlessly. That has a lot to do with Zuckerberg.

---

Btw, I think this forum is too quick to use social proofing to justify personal attacks.

I have no problem with personal attacks as such (though I do regret some of my own); but there should be a better reason than just, "This (((Mark))) fellow doesn't share the flawless complexion, alpha arrogance, and effortless social grace that I and my friends possess. **** him and his oily face."

Subfallen- A prominent Peter Thiel, and by extension, Donald Trump defender doesn't get to use parentheses ironically or accuse other people of incivility.

Also, you should learn how to read instead of just emotionally reacting to what you see as attacks on Our Lord and Savior, Sacred Technology.

It's no small thing that so many better educated people are taking time out of their busy days to help you master basic critical thinking and remedial civics.

Like if we're just randomly going to elect someone who will be over the age of 35 in 2020 and has had remarkable success in their field, you at least wouldn't need to ask what party Lebron James would be running as.

And I'm very grateful.

As a token of my appreciation, here's a chance to support your favorite author/educator: Link me to a politics-themed book you recommend and I'll buy the Kindle version.

Nothing that's been posted here about Zuckerberg is remotely anti-Semetic.

Liz is the natural bridge between the left and center of the Democratic Party, not just ideologically but also in terms of likability. The centrist Hillary types like her and use her to create hash tags, and the left basically has her filed away as "could be worse." My guess is that the center starts to align against her if she takes big enough swings at Obama etc., but she's our best hope.

"The left" doesn't like Warren? Why not?

There is a general perception that she falls in line with corporate interests when the cards are down, and moreover that her critiques are sort of milquetoast wonky **** rather than criticisms of the fundamental structures of corporate power etc. etc.

Perhaps the Black Rose and the International Socialist Organization have little problems with E. Warren, but that's about it from the left and almost all of them would still vote for her. Same thing with Bernie. I've been places where he's still part of the problem because he's not trying to end capitalism, but almost everyone in the room supported him.

Here's something not antisemitic: **** Zuckerberg. Facebook is horrible. It's hard to tell how much is bad because they're awful people and how much because they're awful developers. There's definitely some of the former though.

Bolded is definitely not the case.