The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 142 - Politics and Economics

Howard Dean is the latest in a string of Hillary Clinton supporters to charge that Bernie Sanders is wrong to support a single-payer health care plan. The former chairman of the Democratic National Committee claimed on MSNBC last night that Sanders’ reform might result in “chaos” because “trying to implement it would in fact undo people’s health care.” Dean added, “That is something people should be concerned about.”

Dean, a longtime supporter of single-payer, seemed to be changing his tune, a point made by host Chris Hayes during the segment.

This evolution of Dean, known within many circles for his spirited critique of the Iraq War during the 2004 Democratic primary, comes as he has settled into a corporate lobbying career.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/...dean-lobbyist/

04-20-2017 , 10:36 AM

#3527

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PoBoy321

Of course not. You support progressive candidates, but you actually support them. You raise money, organize volunteers, and get voters to the polls. What did Bernie Sanders do after he lost the nomination? What is he doing for candidates in special elections now?

Bernie is literally doing a tour with Perez right now, in the video you linked!

04-20-2017 , 10:37 AM

#3528

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PoBoy321

What did the party do for the progressive candidate in Kansas?

The Democratic Party sucks. It's only offer is being better than the GOP which is why Perez could do nothing in that interview other than try to bring the conversation to Trump and his ties being made in China.

04-20-2017 , 10:38 AM

#3529

einbert

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A more healthy system would be a parliamentary system where it was more than just a binary point of view being represented. Imagine if we had a parliament that was only 10% white nationalists instead of a Congress with 52% white nationalists (GOP).

04-20-2017 , 10:38 AM

#3530

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Bernie also endorsed in KS04, he's boosted union drives, he's held health care rallies, he's been stumping non-stop since the election.

Hillary has been hiding in the ****ing woods, she couldn't even make it out to the Woman's March

04-20-2017 , 10:38 AM

#3531

lycosid

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TWO CENTURIES OF HISTORY!!!

04-20-2017 , 10:39 AM

#3532

daca

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it does seem unfair to claim that the left shouldnt run 3rd party spoilers but they also shouldnt be pushing the party so much left that it will lose the median voter. it's basically saying vote and work for us but dont try to push your ideas (much).

it's also kinda true though

04-20-2017 , 10:43 AM

#3533

microbet

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And lol at bragging about the party of Jackson or FDR, the former because he was an abomination and the latter because this is not FDR's Democratic Party.

04-20-2017 , 10:44 AM

#3534

einbert

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If you want to support more moderate Democratic candidates, support the DCCC and similar orgs.

If you want to support more progressive candidates, support the liberal third party orgs, directly or by volunteering. You can also support progressive candidates directly by donating to their campaigns. Indivisible, MoveOn, the new Bernie Sanders SuperPac, there are all kinds of progressive organizations that are popping up or that have been established for awhile. Support what you believe in and support it boldly.

04-20-2017 , 10:47 AM

#3535

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daca

That might not be a recipe for dystopia if the GOP operated the same way.

04-20-2017 , 10:47 AM

#3536

eyebooger

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 58,708

Quote:

Originally Posted by stinkubus

So is the line of thinking that we'll move the country to the left by supporting the most right wing Democrats possible?

Depends on where they are.

In the case of Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp and that ilk, absolutely. When the choice is binary between Manchin and replacement WV GOP senator, the choice is easy.

On the other hand, Feinstein (who is actually to the left of those people) needs to GTFO immediately. There is no reason a California senator should be voting for 9/19 of Trump's cabinet picks. Getting her out of the way (when the senator from California will be Democrat no matter what) is certainly +EV.

04-20-2017 , 11:01 AM

#3537

stinkubus

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I don't know. It seems to me that sooner or later progressive candidates are going to have to become viable in more states, and I don't see how you get that done unless you say **** it and just start running them.

04-20-2017 , 11:07 AM

#3538

Huehuecoyotl

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There's been a lot of thought about how should left leaning people interact with the Democratic Party. I think Jacobin had an article a while back. From what I remember both parties have a lot of things at their disposal to quash third parties from gaining ground so the end realization was to foment more social clubs like the Democratic Socialists of America and union social clubs and push and run as Democrats as tactfully necessary.

04-20-2017 , 11:25 AM

#3539

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

WTF at two things in this thread (catching up now):

1. Complaining about Bernie post-electon. Dude has single-handedly swayed public opinion on healthcare and this is due to what he has done in the past few months. He's on every show and going all over the country, supporting Democrats, including some he probably has substantial disagreements with. Hard to ask for anything more.

2. Tulsi Gabbard is ****ing evil and she should absolutely be primaried. People defending her should hand their heads in shame at standing up for someone who is doing all she can to prop up a genocidal madman.

04-20-2017 , 11:27 AM

#3540

champstark

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I am now 100% on the Kander 2020 hype train. Winning is the most important thing and I think there is no way he loses to Cheeto-man.

04-20-2017 , 12:13 PM

#3541

HastenDan

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One thing that is pretty depressing for both the future of the democratic party and for the advancement of progressive ideals is just how fractured the party seems at this point.

PoBoy above is just a small sample of some deep raging BernieHate that is coursing through the veins of a disturbing amount of #StillWithHer democrats.

This can be observed across the liberal digital sphere, and tonight the corporatists and establishment can have a toast to Mission Accomplished.

04-20-2017 , 12:21 PM

#3542

mutigers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Other comment:

I am now 100% on the Kander 2020 hype train. Winning is the most important thing and I think there is no way he loses to Cheeto-man.

I like Kander a lot but I don't really see how running someone who's highest political office was secretary of state of missouri has any chance. "tell us why your political experience would make a great president jason"- "i uh made sure the ballot language on voter initiatives was accurate wolf"

anyway he had a good interview on zeropodthirty the other day. i think kristen gillibrand is the most likely candidate

04-20-2017 , 12:26 PM

#3543

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mutigers

What was Donald J. Trump's political experience in 2016?

04-20-2017 , 12:47 PM

#3544

.Alex.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PoBoy321

Loooool what did the DCCC do for the special election in Kansas?

Bernie has been everywhere espousing progressive ideals but it's hard to move the party to the left when it's run by corporatist centrists who'd rather acquiesce to Republicans than stand up and fight for anything.

04-20-2017 , 12:53 PM

#3545

OmgGlutten!

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Being rich.

04-20-2017 , 01:23 PM

#3546

Huehuecoyotl

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The trolls are out for the Fight Back Tour

(yes u know the windshield needs to be cleaned)

http://i.imgur.com/5985q3I.jpg

04-20-2017 , 01:57 PM

#3547

HastenDan

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Lol where is that?

I was at a park last month and two beat up trucks sped around a couple laps and parked at one point, and they both had MASSIVE flags flying out of their beds. One of course was a simple TRUMP flag, but the other one was a huge communist flag with a spray-painted X through it, which I thought was weird. Like, did they take time to go online and order a huge communist flag, or did they somehow come across it? Do they have more flags and change them up depending on the day? Because surely those dudes have a stash of rebel flags if they are paying up for a communist flag to deface.

04-20-2017 , 02:22 PM

#3548

Loki

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Just a reminder while we're all quibbling over Bernie not strongly enough supporting whatever butt**** candidate from nowhere, the Repubs could soon control enough states to call a constitutional convention and rewrite our founding document, and there is a lot of support for doing so on their side.