The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 133 - Politics and Economics

You need to drop Universal Right to a College Education from that list, the rest I agree with. The government has already caused tuition to explode, without the government-backed loans colleges would be forced to be more modest and only charge what people can afford, and loans should only be given based on choice of major where it makes sense. When something becomes expensive, the answer is not to throw more money at the greedy administrators running the show whose job is to collect as much government-backed money as possible. Their self-interests are not aligned with students self-interests. College tuition is currently a bubble that needs to be popped. There are still plenty of great, affordable choices that make sense if you do a cost-benefit analysis ahead of time (which is something that should be taught in high school instead of pushing an agenda that any form of education is worth it at all costs). Teaching people how to think better financially would go a long ways towards fixing a lot of problems we have with everything.

College is a choice that makes sense for some people, but not everyone. College is not a right nor should it be, at least not until high school education is producing more responsible adults. We should strive to make it affordable (which current policies have done the opposite), but we shouldn't be pushing kids into it where it is obviously the wrong answer for them at a cost that will burden them for the rest of their lives.

For example: If you want to be a music major you should not be eligible for student loans. This is a luxury degree that you should have to pay for yourself if you want it or earn a scholarship for if you are talented enough. Almost every music major would be better off today if that was a policy, as they instead would have picked a major that could have actually provided them with a job that provides a living wage. Instead, most just take on more debt to switch to a major with some hope once they realize their mistake, but the colleges, they love taking that music major money.

Also, whether you agree with me or not, that is a division point that will lose you a lot of support in the middle, focus on the other issues that the vast majority can get behind without disagreement first.

How come it manages to work in Europe so well?

03-16-2017 , 02:14 PM

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I think what the Dems need is some fairly young blood to try to mobilize the 18-35s. Youths are progressive for a reason, and are the most important demo in the next election (aside from olds who are going to lose their insurance and hit the revenge votes against the Rs hard.)

Pete Buttigieg, Seth Moulton, Jason Kander, Joe Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard are some people to keep your eye on.

Interestingly enough, Pete Buttigieg wrote an essay in 2000 about Bernie Sanders and his style of 'conviction politics' and that it might be a way to breakthrough partisan gridlock.

03-16-2017 , 03:38 PM

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suzzer99

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I love the guy but he's going to be 80 ****ing years old on inauguration day 2021. It's inconceivable.

He's still pretty damn spry.

03-17-2017 , 12:41 AM

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Matt Bruenig on the toxic death trap Chelsea Clinton will be if she ever runs for office

https://medium.com/@MattBruenig/on-c...5bc#.6t4867w8t

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Rumors are that Chelsea Clinton is gearing up to run for office. This is troubling news insofar as it might keep the Clinton machine and its hangers-on in politics. It also seems like a questionable idea insofar as Chelsea Clinton is a nepotist legacy case whose whole career to this point has been hopping from one dodgy patronage job to another, not exactly the ideal image for the Democratic party.

He then lists all her jobs and the not so earned paychecks they gave her. If you have applied for and gotten a grocer job when you were a teenager or a waitressing job you have more real life and self-determined experience than she does.

03-17-2017 , 02:17 AM

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Seems about right.

03-17-2017 , 02:51 AM

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HastenDan

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The Democratic Party needs to host an event where they formally give the boot to the Peter Daou's of the world. Let us have a big tent, but keep out the riff raff shall we?

03-17-2017 , 03:17 AM

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Chelsea may have gotten a leg up, but she's definitely done at least the minimum at a number of very elite institutions. The emails that she wrote that were leaked were well informed and thoughtful and not just ABC. Compared to the Trump kids she is all universe.

I started reading Heuh's link prepared to have a laugh at her but came away more impressed. The only really bad thing was NBC gig, but $600k is nothing to the Today show. The board seat was a lil smelly, but a highly educated McKinsey consultant is better than most replacement level board members. Her husband does seem to have failed managing a hedge fund. Maybe he's too nice.

Still, she's a charisma vacuum like her mom, especially with no down home background or experience. I could see her cleaning up in a district like pelosi's but not many other places.

03-17-2017 , 05:19 AM

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In Dan's loosely constructed fantasy world, not only is the ditch digger elected but he doesn't even quit his day job down at the dig site.

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Seems about right.

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The Democratic Party needs to host an event where they formally give the boot to the Peter Daou's of the world. Let us have a big tent, but keep out the riff raff shall we?

03-17-2017 , 06:19 AM

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a nepotist legacy case whose whole career to this point has been hopping from one dodgy patronage job to another

03-17-2017 , 06:30 AM

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Perfect.

03-17-2017 , 07:25 AM

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Perfect.

Indeed, but we also know that the voting public, in it's totality, is extremely forgiving of flaws in men that they will not forgive in women. It's not fair, but it's (current) reality. The Democrats need to be focused on winning elections, even if it means withdrawing support for a candidate for superficial reasons. We have pretty conclusive proof that losing an election and being right, but not in power, isn't a good outcome.

03-17-2017 , 07:28 AM

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that if Chelsea Clinton runs a campaign based on "Chelsea - the next George W. Bush for you and your family!" it's not a winner.

03-17-2017 , 07:54 AM

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to be fair, many people in congress fit the haven't had a real job in decades theme

03-17-2017 , 08:04 AM

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FFS, the Clintons aren't ever going to go away, are they.

03-17-2017 , 12:43 PM

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I'm definitely on board the clintons and all their people need to get out of politics if they want the democratic party to succeed train. It sucks for them that they were president, senator, and secretary of state and now they need the boot, but in reality, they did a lot of stuff that moved the country to the right, so eff em.

03-17-2017 , 12:53 PM

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FFS, the Clintons aren't ever going to go away, are they.

Yeah, guys it's over. It sucks because the reasons are totally ridiculous (for the most part) but the clinton brand is done. Try to take comfort in the fact that you're multi millionaires and you're doing good around the world but give up on politics.

03-17-2017 , 12:59 PM

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A huge chunk of Dems think Hillary is like, the best, and Chelsea could waltz into just about any New York political office without any trouble. These people need to be actively fought.

03-17-2017 , 01:14 PM

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Would be a nightmare scenario if Hillary runs again. It's something that causes me legit dread every time I think about it. I like Hillary well enough, think she would've been a decent President, but if she runs again, my gut says she loses.

03-17-2017 , 01:18 PM

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shes not running again. it is not a scenario you need to ever think about imo.

03-17-2017 , 02:23 PM

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A huge chunk of Dems think Hillary is like, the best, and Chelsea could waltz into just about any New York political office without any trouble. These people need to be actively fought.

If Chelsea decides to run for Congress in NY she'll win easily. I would be very surprised if she decides to run for state legislature.

I don't have a problem with Chelsea running for Congress. Her resume is probably better than the median first-time Congressional candidate and if elected she would probably be a powerful Congresswoman because of her likely fundraising and networking strength. She would definitely strengthen the New York delegation to Congress.

03-17-2017 , 02:37 PM

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I have no problem with her as anything up to a Senator in a vacuum, but there is just no way that she views Senator as her ceiling.

03-17-2017 , 05:27 PM

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Omg Chelsea Clinton,
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/former-...144603754.html

Also great was, when Cleveland basketball team were in white house so in his 2 minutes interview after Lebron 5 or 6 times mentioned him calling him each time nothing but and exclusively ''Barack''. In full Bron deep voice long blink serious Bron talk now Bron reference....''Barack''. ''Barack... Barack''.
Sorry i can't make myself to name a team that won a championship by an older Iconic player literally riding, a younger hothead rising star... on his, back...
...Aris..Cavaliers.

~"Me and Barack, we talked about my role as youth idol and a leader of generation and where all that should go...''