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The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party

02-20-2017 , 11:33 AM
if we're going with "voter perceptions" how about

Republicans: We have a united coalition to destroy government - lower taxes, less regulation - and Dear Leader will also bully companies into magically creating jobs.

Democrats: We have ideas to improve your life but can't get anything to pass

don't underestimate GOP obstruction
02-21-2017 , 12:27 AM
I feel pretty strongly if the democratic party message doesn't change regarding at least jobs for the working man by 18, they're mostly dead in 2020. So far, there's little hope of that happening from current D's. If the main thought in american minds for democrats is a super pro muslims party--they're done for once the **** show starts. It's a setup.
02-21-2017 , 03:44 AM
I think the Democrats' message needs to boil down to some quick version of 'we're the party for the working class and seniors, they're the party for big business and the super-wealthy.' And just relentlessly hammer it again and again and again.

It needs to be a unified thing done everywhere - congressional races, Senate races, gubernatorial races, everywhere. It's got to trigger in people's minds as automatically as "it's what plants crave" does for Brawndo. If you have a (D) next to your name this is part of your brand.

They also can't let the right distract them. Opponents are going to try and get you off the message and manufacture scandals and BS, you dismiss it and the source as nonsense and plow back through with your message instead of playing defense against a mountain of nonsense.

Everything else - how much Trump sucks, how unfair things are for women and minorities and gays and immigrants, how much the Earth is warming, trade policy, how bad guns are, fiscal policy, Russia, Think of the Children!- ok, sew it in there here and again, but this all just doesn't sell as well as it should.
02-21-2017 , 04:10 AM
Just go Hope, Change again.
02-21-2017 , 06:40 AM
Run back Sanders greatest hits/hire the team who put together these gems

America


Together

Make History

Stone lock on messaging. Tougher part is having a candidate whose as charismatic, convincing, and has stood by the courage of their convictions throughout their political and professional career. It's never, ever going to happen isn't the Universal Healthcare message I want to hear to inspire me to vote for a candidate.

Campaign in poetry, govern in prose.
02-21-2017 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ElMastermind
Run back Sanders greatest hits/hire the team who put together these gems

America



Together


Make History


Stone lock on messaging. Tougher part is having a candidate whose as charismatic, convincing, and has stood by the courage of their convictions throughout their political and professional career. It's never, ever going to happen isn't the Universal Healthcare message I want to hear to inspire me to vote for a candidate.

Campaign in poetry, govern in prose.
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02-21-2017 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
It is looking like Tom Perez and the Clintonites are going to win the DNC chair. Pelosi and Schumer remain firmly in control of the Democratic caucuses in the House and Senate. At this point, the Democratic Party is essentially dead and a non-entity in American politics.

I would be willing to make an Awice type bet that the Dems don't even have a national convention by 2028 at the right odds. This country may very well be headed for civil war.
literally blows my mind how entrenched the teamplayer dems are even after what just happened. like, we are 3 months from HRC's failed campaign and half the constituency is going "yep this guy has been in politics a long time, let's support him" - absolutely tone deaf.

the more progressive segment of america is literally over here going "establishment is fked, give us someone new or we are out" and establishment keeps saying "get pragmatic guys that'll fix it"

same stupid **** that happened w bernie. like if we cut the dems into 2 groups - party voters and progressives - one of them will come home to whatever candidate, one will not. throwing up another HRC, despite how good he is (because don't get me wrong, Tom perez is an immaculately qualified dude for the position), is just going to be disastrous.

Ellison/Buttigieg types are what it is gonna take.
02-21-2017 , 11:36 PM
The vote isn't for a few days.

Shuffle, who is fighting who in this upcoming civil war?

Tone deaf sounds right. I'm not really sure what's wrong with Tom Perez, but whoever it's going to be it shouldn't be someone anointed by the high and mighty.
02-21-2017 , 11:37 PM
The "Leaders" of the Democratic Party will all be out on their ass within a few years, especially if they keep going in the same direction, I can assure you. The party is going to be rebuilt and in the best way--from the ground up, from outside Washington. Grassroots activists all over the country are getting involved, flooding their reps with phone calls, organizing constituent town halls, and getting involved directly with their local and state Democratic Party. If you want to help save the country, jump on board.
02-21-2017 , 11:38 PM
We need people to run for office, specifically. Have you ever wanted to directly fight fascism? Take up the call.
02-21-2017 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
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same stupid **** that happened w bernie. like if we cut the dems into 2 groups - party voters and progressives - one of them will come home to whatever candidate, one will not.
That's just false. Plenty of black and hispanic party voters (who aren't progressives) didn't "come home" in 2016.
02-21-2017 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
That's just false. Plenty of black and hispanic party voters (who aren't progressives) didn't "come home" in 2016.
yes, you are correct. not 100% of party voters will "come home" - sorry i figured anyone smart enough to use a computer would realize that i was not dealing in total absolutes.

way more bernie primary voters broke for trump in the general than primary HRC voters. does that clarification appease your nittiness?
02-22-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I remember from about a decade ago, Russian intelligence services (or propaganda, whichever) had drawn up maps where they thought the United States would eventually break up along geographical lines. Their maps are almost surely inaccurate and kind of a joke, but the idea isn't that far-fetched: a disconnect between the coasts and middle-America. Economic and monetary policy continues to transfer wealth to a relatively small number of urban elites and urban professionals on the coasts who benefit from globalization and increased inequality, while middle-America gets hollowed out and rises up against those who would make them serfs.

You can't even call it liberal vs. conservative anymore, Democrat vs. Republican. The Reagan Republican Party is just as finished as the Democrats. Trump is a protest burn-the-whole-damn thing down vote by tens of millions of Americans. The intelligence services are openly plotting to overthrow the government. The whole thing is worse than it's ever been since the 1850s.

All because the educated and powerful and wealthy people in this country (and the entire West, for that matter) are so self-interested, they can't even take a step back and reflect on where they have gone wrong.
WA, CA, and OR have the 12th, 15th and 25th highest per capita incomes in the country. East coast is way richer. From Ohio it's also more convenient.
02-22-2017 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
CA is extremely unequal though. Lots of rich people and lots of poor people.

Kind of the Democratic party model during the Clinton/neoliberal years.
And yet a fair amount of middle America is still not in solidarity with the poor of California. I wonder why?
02-22-2017 , 12:21 AM
Finance industry and the Federal Government is all back East anyway. The rich Californians aren't especially responsible for the Clinton/neoliberalism.
02-22-2017 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
yes, you are correct. not 100% of party voters will "come home" - sorry i figured anyone smart enough to use a computer would realize that i was not dealing in total absolutes.

way more bernie primary voters broke for trump in the general than primary HRC voters. does that clarification appease your nittiness?
No, you are still wrong. She had 5% less black vote (and lower turnout despite improved demos) and 6% less hispanic vote. That cost her the election just as much as the (dubious) claims you are making. She could have easily won losing even more Bernie voters than she did if she did better with blacks and hispanics. Its not just the ~10% of the general electorate that voted for Bernie that needs to be turned out....in fact they aren't even the most important demo.

Don't worry, its completely my fault for expecting you to think that out on your own. Its ok if you still don't get really.
02-22-2017 , 12:33 AM
WTF are the dems doing? The 2018 election season has already started. Where is the Democratic alternative to GOP rule? Where are the plans for what the Dems will do when they "win back" the house and senate? Such incompetence. Trump is so unpopular right now and what do you hear from the Dems? Nothing.
02-22-2017 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
No, you are still wrong. She had 5% less black vote (and lower turnout despite improved demos) and 6% less hispanic vote. That cost her the election just as much as the (dubious) claims you are making. She could have easily won losing even more Bernie voters than she did if she did better with blacks and hispanics. Its not just the ~10% of the general electorate that voted for Bernie that needs to be turned out....in fact they aren't even the most important demo.

Don't worry, its completely my fault for expecting you to think that out on your own. Its ok if you still don't get really.
no, you are still wrong. you are looking at percentages rather than raw numbers. i know it is a hard distinction for someone of your intellectual capacity but i really do believe deep down that you will be able to figure out why one is the correct unit of measurement and why the other is not.

it just might take you a little longer than it would take the average person. don't feel bad.
02-22-2017 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
WTF are the dems doing? The 2018 election season has already started. Where is the Democratic alternative to GOP rule? Where are the plans for what the Dems will do when they "win back" the house and senate? Such incompetence. Trump is so unpopular right now and what do you hear from the Dems? Nothing.

Dems are playing it smart right now. The public doesn't want to see Kucinich types climbing up on soapboxes to talk up to them regarding their plans for ruling. Doing that, and interrupting Trump's reign of terror, is putting up an unnecessary umbrella on the deluge of **** raining down upon the GOP.
02-22-2017 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
The "Leaders" of the Democratic Party will all be out on their ass within a few years, especially if they keep going in the same direction, I can assure you. The party is going to be rebuilt and in the best way--from the ground up, from outside Washington. Grassroots activists all over the country are getting involved, flooding their reps with phone calls, organizing constituent town halls, and getting involved directly with their local and state Democratic Party. If you want to help save the country, jump on board.
What are your thoughts on Keith Ellison and Tom Perez?
02-22-2017 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ymmv
no, you are still wrong. you are looking at percentages rather than raw numbers. i know it is a hard distinction for someone of your intellectual capacity but i really do believe deep down that you will be able to figure out why one is the correct unit of measurement and why the other is not.

it just might take you a little longer than it would take the average person. don't feel bad.
Lol....the sad part is I actually believe that you wouldn't know how to convert those percentages to vote totals.
02-22-2017 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Lol....the sad part is I actually believe that you wouldn't know how to convert those percentages to vote totals.
yes that's definitely the sad part here. try harder next time kid.
02-22-2017 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe
One thing that would help the democratic party a lot going forward would be if they stop repeating the gender wage gap myth that does not exist, which might have cost Hilary the election as it was one of her focal points that turned off a lot of people:

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-...radio-podcast/

Cliffs: There might be a slight wage gap, such as 3-5%, but most of that can probably be corrected by teaching women to negotiate better as currently they are more likely tot just accept the first offer. All the women (and men) that have countered the first offer in my company have received an increased salary. Anyone who says women make 76-77% of men with all else being equal is flat out wrong.

Having Hilary say equal pay for equal work when most of the working nation knows that already exists is not a message most can get behind.
The 77 percent measurement isn't wrong. It's measuring a different thing, and it is still a measure of injustice.
02-22-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
WTF are the dems doing? The 2018 election season has already started. Where is the Democratic alternative to GOP rule? Where are the plans for what the Dems will do when they "win back" the house and senate? Such incompetence. Trump is so unpopular right now and what do you hear from the Dems? Nothing.
Trump is not that unpopular right now. Low for this early in the presidency, but within the same average range as Obama was during his presidency.
02-22-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Trump is not that unpopular right now. Low for this early in the presidency, but within the same average range as Obama was during his presidency.
Very unpopular and getting more unpopular by the day.



http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/...record-38.html

      
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