We sure this isn't AlexM? Maybe the return of LirvA? Gotta be one of those disgraced Paultards.

I agree with Cornel West. You don't. Why are you in opposition to the voice of black intellectuals from atop your white privilege?

Flywf,

I'll see what I can do on my attacking the conservative and Trumpian right for you.

Uh, I'm on the side here that John Lewis can endorse whichever damn candidate he pleases. That black intellectuals disagree on this topic with each other supports my position a hell of a lot more than your embarrassing and shallow "any black person (aka most of them) supporting Hillary = SHAME" claim.

Care to take a stab at any of those Coates quotes from earlier? The full articles go into much more depth on the subject.

So john lewis made true statements?

But this isn't my position? Also, why are you allowed to disagree with black intellectuals while attacking me for doing so? I agree with Cornel West's views on John Lewis.

And yeah I get it, saying that 'John Lewis endorsing Clinton over Bernie is shameful' is something that you are completely opposed to and I can understand that view, particularly as it is at least more developed than just saying 'how dare you attack such an icon!' as others have. Maybe I should have used far lesser words and simply said I was very disappointed in John Lewis for endorsing corporatist Clinton over Bernie, and THEN went on to say that I found his actual statements to be beneath him.

You never did give your view in any way on the whole other point that I found the 'Bernie-Lewis situation' shameful and beneath him. Just no big deal? Completely fine? One accidental misunderstanding?

Cornel West thinks that big money and corporations and politics corrupts people and causes them to lose the goal of striving to benefit the common man. Do you disagree? Are your heroes infallible or are you allowed to question them?


Victor,

Yeah man, 'John Lewis makes technically true statements'. I agree. Nothing to see there, apologies.

When this all started you attacked Lewis for his shameful endorsement and, separately, for his shameful attack on Bernie. If there is a more nuanced reason for calling his endorsement shameful than simply "he's black and I think Bernie would have been better for black people", by all means, tell us about it.

It's one thing to suggest Lewis' endorsement is shameful and "beneath him" if there's a consensus view among black intellectuals that supporting Hillary over Bernie was wrong, but that is far from the case.

I don't really care about the other point. I think it was pretty trashy and not very progressive to suggest a civil rights icon is "shameful" because (and this was half of your original complaint) his politics are different from yours.

btw, regarding whether Sanders would actually be better for minority communities:

Apparently John Lewis needed to lie and say he did meet Bernie Sanders, or something. Who knows, HastenDan is such an emotional wreck about one comment made almost a year ago that ~nobody remembers he can't even organize his thoughts.

Dan like, even if you were right, even if Lewis lied, KIND OF TELLING what made you bring this issue up again, huh?

Goofy,

I wonder if President Bernie would have been better or worse than a President Clinton concerning the incarceration rate of minorities over non-violent crimes.

Also Universal Basic Income, free education, a higher minimum wage, universal healthcare, all of those would go towards narrowing the wage gap, in my personal opinion.

The debate for reparations is a difficult one, and it is hard to fully consider the logistics of implementation and how it could move forward politically. I am curious your exact stance on the topic outside of referencing Coates?

The world is about to change at a crazy rate that civilization has never witnessed. The fact that income inequality decreased under Obama should be cause for alarm. Remove the equity sucking vampires from the top is the key towards progress for the common man, in my opinion, and is an overriding concern.

I know you're arguing with Dan here and not with Bernie and it's not Bernie arguing with Ta-Nehisi Coates here either, but Bernie talked about racial discrimination in the justice system as well as other areas pretty much constantly.

Do people really think Dan isnt ikes?

Fly,

I hope I scored at least one point with you when I noted that Cedric Richmond was dropping hot fire at the Jeff Sessions hearing in the confirmations thread

Oh Dan another fun thing to take under advisement, this thing where you're like "I FOUND A BLACK GUY WHO AGREES WITH ME IF YOU DISAGREE WITH HIM ARE YOU RACIST??? CHESSMATE" about Cornell West is, uh, not how liberals do identity politics. It is exactly what conservatives and libertarians do, though, and we can tell what circles you travel in intellectually to play that card so forcefully.

And then you go and find the post...

Srsly wtf is wrong with you? Is it AIDS?

For example, outside of the insane Peter Dao/Rebecca Traister/David Brock wing of the party*, nobody smeared all Bernie supporters as racist or anything like that. You're generalizing from the specific, you, the guy who makes weird ebonics posts, to the general.

*Dan that mic drop post, uh, did I hack your account and make that for you? Because it really seems to conclusively disprove the idea that I'm some Hillary shill. Makes me kinda seem like what I am, a "dirtbag left" guy who was shocked and betrayed by Hillary's failures. Actual neoliberals don't give me money, they block me on Twitter, because I'm a ****ing Berniebro to them.

This post, in its entirety, is exactly what Coates was talking about btw. You espouse support for pie-in-the-sky stuff under Sanders like UBI (possibility of getting through Congress: zero) but when it comes to reparations, all of a sudden - whoah, stop, slow down, now we need to talk about pragmatism.

As far as my personal stance, I agree with you that the debate is "difficult" as far as how we would get the country to sign on to such a thing, but I don't think the debate about whether reparations are moral, just, and correct is difficult at all.

I was like there's no way he referring to THAT post.

FlyWF,

It is hard to know whether or not to take all of your sage advice when as you can see above you told me yourself that you have no idea what you are talking about AND have no credibility? Sorry

Yes, there is zero chance of UBI getting through our current congress. But the world changes (sadly in a pretty depressing direction at the moment).

I agree with the moral argument for reparations as well. And when I said difficult I was not only referring to getting others in this country to sign onto the idea, but the manner and degree in which something would be implemented. Do you have no thoughts in that regard?

Hillary promised Danny a pony but he was all like, "But Bernie promised me a pony that shoots rainbows out of its mouth! I hate you!!" Then he ran into his room and slammed the door.

Yes

Coates' criticism of Bernie on reparations is fair, but relative to every other contender for POTUS except Obama (and he got the same criticism) in US History it's to Bernie's credit that you'd even expect it a possibility that he should support reparations. Hillary just gave political non-answers on it and no one expected different or held her to anything better. For a lot of Hillary supporters that was just her being a political genius.

So you want John Lewis to lie and say Bernie was right there next to him on that bridge getting his skull cracked too?

As I stated in the past and in my first posts here, Hillary-website-on-the-issues was A-OK looking great in my book.

And while of course I would have loved that rainbow-pony of Bernie (and thought the world desperately needs it, AND it would have been a lower % chance of a Trump victory), I gotta tell you again that I didn't run into my room and slam the door, but instead gave an unenthusiastic vote for Hillary and prayed against a Trump presidency.

My poney tried to make it to the bridge, but was too slow.

The reporter asked him "What do you say about his previous work on Civil Rights" which prompted Lewis to interject with the response in the video I have posted. The video speaks for itself, as did the coverage the moment got across the media.