Even if ~1965-2016 was an aberration and commitment to small-l liberal political order is on the wane, it's likely that the period increased black and Latino buying and consumption power in America to the point that America's corporate overlords won't tolerate a total roll back of their civil rights since it's bad for business.

Counterpoint: Nazis simply destroyed and confiscated Jewish wealth and businesses, engaged in pogroms to harass Jews, or instituted other forms of economic persecution while the nation's companies and authorities looked on.

So... you don't have any power, and you can't do the propaganda.

Doesn't that mean the only thing you can do is suck an unlimited amount of time and $$$$ down a black hole?

ETA: Go #Team Donkey !!!1!

The second part is a counterpoint and it was really incredibly against Germany's interest to do that, but Jews were only 0.75% of the German population in 1933. Killing Polish Jews was a profitable industrial procedure for German companies.

Yeah. Political parties are supposed to have their own press.

Why don't you have your own press? The Donkey can't cry poverty. If the amount of $$$$ you fools ritualistically burn were GDP... you'd be right ahead of Hungry and right behind New Zeeland.

Now I don't know if anyone has ever told you this before, but the reason the MSM so much, is that they charge you their highest rates, and buy copiously product... all so you can spit out your venomous anti-entertainment.

Maybe try this...

Instead of spewing 100% of your ill-gotten $$$$, on say renting tv stations by the 30-second slice... instead, only shred 75% of your swag, and invest the other 25% into buying tv stations I hear newspapers are going really cheap now-a-days

Cable news is driven by different incentives than political parties - which is generally a good thing imo. But control of the media is not the same thing as having political power and obviously the Democrats can regain that. If you are not interested in political power this might seem like a waste, but that is not my view.

We did back when the parties themselves had power rather than non-party groups and politicians.

Seems to me like you answered your own question.

Just to be clear, I know I'm confusing and I snark. In this thread, if I don't say otherwise, I'm always posting in the spirit of the thread. When I wanna clown on youz guyz about the fact that political action don't work, I'll make that plenty clear. I'm not going to try to hyjack this thread.

BTW, a few posts up I made a suggestion that the Donkey should hive off a sister fusion party for its Librulz wing. That was a serious suggestion. I'd like you to take a look, if you would be so kind.

To gain political power a party has to do the propaganda (If you don't mind, so as to forestall a chance you might Unintentionally 'Strawman' me, I'd like to Preemptively Clarify that, the way I use my words, 'propaganda' == "politically persuasive speech". I intend no Cold War allusions). In fact, the only two things parties do is (1) wield power, and (2) do the propaganda. That's it. And yes... I know another POTUSBOWL is coming right up. They always are :sigh:.

I was just clowning. Your post, if read in isolation, was you whinging that the Donkey can't do anything at all. That the Donkey is less useful than tits on a log.

My question is: The Donkey can afford to buy, why does he rent? Why isn't there Donkey TV, channel 666, on DirecTV?

Oh yeah, you DONKEYS still haven't figured out why you got waffle crushed by teapot in last POTUSBOWL yet, have you?

I'm too lazy to cite it, but I called it back at day 1. Flat out nailed it.



How far has the Donkey fallen since his greatest triumph: a dead Kennedy? Kennedy was a pretty-boy who luck boxed in because of color TV. What's their second greatest triumph: a light skinned black man who is a pretty-boy too. Someday there will be a fugly dark skinned black man POTUS, or not, IDC. But the first black POTUS must needs have been a pretty-boy.

There will never be a fugly female POTUS.

I think both your point and counterpoint are on point, as it were.

Corporations in America would vastly prefer that civil rights are not rolled back and they will make a lot of noise to prevent it from happening, and that noise will be very effective against normal politicians but if you get a true psycho in there it won't matter.

See: Paris Climate Accord. ~all the corporations wanted us to stay in there and with any normal president we would have, but Trump just goes full IDGAF mode and pulls out anyway.

Luckily, Trump probably cannot accomplish all that much civil rights rollback through executive action but tbf I don't know exactly how much he could accomplish if he set his sights on it.

Things would obviously be far worse if Trump were not such an incompetent clown.

There is probably some benefit to directing your message through an outlet that is at least nominally neutral.

haha

Did wil hack shame trolley's account so he could get some main forum posting in?

LMFAO. Civil rights are being rolled back as we speak. I don't hear any noise.

The Donkey's don't need to have editorial control. They buy a network, licence an element of the MSM to operate it at arm's length, and reserve 50% of the commercial inventory for there own use.

I'm not joking. The lastest POTUSBOWL was so close that you can point to a dozen things that would have tipped it over. The fact that H.Clinton is so damn fugly, is most certainly one of them. If she was hot, she'd be the Empress of Capitalism right now.

And I'm not joking picking candidates by looks. Why not. There's what 100,000,000 Donkeys in the country. If 1% of those has what it takes to win POTUSBOWL that's 1,000,000 Donkeys that are all equally qualified for the job.

At this point, the only decision left to make, is which one has the better chance of ascending the throne of death. You don't wanna pick... dark skinned black folk, fatties, people with distracting moles, indio latinos, and, most important of all... no fugly chicks.

Look, it's the same as selling burgers. Wendy's has all sorts of forced Mayberry diversity in the background of their commercials (surrogates, whatev), but up front, they had just about the most scorching hot ginger you can find (the candidate).

Wendy's don't move product with a (non-celebrity) H.Clinton out front. They'd only make peeps nauseous.

I thought you liked me :sad:.

Incrementally, sure. If someone tried to go back to Jim Crow or something I think you would get a lot of objections, and not just for humanitarian reasons.

Yeah, this might not be a bad idea. On one hand, I want to say calling it the Democratic Network or whatever would be bad as it would allow everyone to point out that it is biased or whatever but on the other hand the right wing already thinks the actually neutral networks are horribly biased so maybe it doesn't make any difference.

"LMFAO. Civil rights are being rolled back as we speak. I don't hear any noise."

Some civil rights, like pigs, appear to be more equal than others. Re the NCAA and NFL threatening to boycott particular states over various laws, Deutches Bank and Paypal cancelling North Carolina projects (dunno if these have been rescinded) and some others. So there's been SOME noise, but not a lot.

MM MD

Consumer side, sure. Employment side.... LMFAO. Things like redlining... LMFAO.

The whine was the MSM wasn't giving them enough attention. If that's the case, it would be prudent for the Donkey to cut the MSM out of the loop. It's better to be clowned on for owning your press than not being able to get your message out at all.

Don't go into advertising. The Donkey Network network is probably a worse choice than the S*** network, because s***'s more popular. The best would be the "Oprah, Obama, and Oxygen" network.

all the dems need is bootsie for the win. sry just could not resist the george retort. but he would defintly swing the ball in the dems favor if he could get snoop to co pilot

This is like the third person that's tried to explain to Chait what neoliberal means

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...anders-clinton

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e83_story.html

The Democrats new messaging revolves around the slogan "A Better Deal." I really like it. Certainly beats "I'm With Her." It services both wings of the Democratic party, anti-Trump libs and Berniecrats (think "New Deal"). And for low infos, it promises vague improvements, kinda like MAGA . Some Twitter libs are already ****ting on it, but it's hard to imagine a better two to five word slogan.

My problem is that “A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future” is naturally followed by "A Better Pizza, Papa John's"

They mentioned that in the article, but I never heard of it.

I don't think there's necessarily a problem with sounding like an advertising slogan. It may even make it catchier. Literally Donald Trump won through pure hucksterism bull****. "Brawndo's got what plants crave." To think the American people will be detered by the similarity to a pizza slogan I think is to view them as more highbrow than they truly are. Americans like consumerism.

A Better Deal: Now 50% more better! Act now and get free health insurance!!!! (Limited time offer. Valid only while supplies last. One health insurance plan per person.)

*Contents may settle in transit. Actual coverage will vary.

Also, it's a ****ty, uninspiring slogan. Like you have no idea what they are talking about and it still sounds like they are saying "at least we aren't those guys." It's making a relative comparison to what? Better than what? The dumpster fire of an administration and Republican Party? Oh, boy, really laying it all on the line there. I mean, it sounds like the title of some thinktank's white paper on international trade. What the **** is wrong with these people?

All the Republicans have to do is offer The Best Deal. Chess mate.

lol literally nothing would please this board. I mean they managed to slam Trump, hearken to the progressive triumph of FDR, and promise Americans hope and change (remember that failure of a slogan? So vague. Change how?) in three words. Imo, they need more specifics in their three word slogan.

That's a good one. I like the absurdity.

Vote Democrat: Three Word Slogan!