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07-10-2017 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Cockburn is a terrible name.
07-10-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Didn't Republicans pour money into those races, too?
Didn't they win by spending significantly (with PAC money included)?

In contrast to the DNC

May 2017, Republicans Have Best May Fundraising in a Post Presidential Election Year Ever

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The Republican National Committee raised $10.8 million in May, upping its 2017 fundraising total to $61.9 million, the committee said on Friday.

The RNC said it was its best fundraising haul in May of a post-presidential year. RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel credited the "network of loyal grass-roots donors across the country and bold leadership from President Donald Trump and congressional Republicans," she said in a statement.


“We are incredibly grateful to the unprecedented number of donations that continue to pour in from across America,” said RNC Finance Chairman Steve Wynn. “Breaking yet another fundraising record would not be possible without the unwavering commitment from Republican supporters, who know the president and Republican leadership are dedicated to improving and strengthening our country.”

In May, the RNC spent $10.5 million, finishing with $41.8 million in cash on hand and no debt.

The Democratic National Committee hasn't released its totals for May. In April, the DNC brought in $4.7 million and spent $6.4 million. The committee finished April with $8.8 million in the bank.
Nothing to see here. Perez is doing a great job really. Resistance working flawlessly.
07-10-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Didn't they win by spending significantly (with PAC money included)?

In contrast to the DNC

May 2017, Republicans Have Best May Fundraising in a Post Presidential Election Year Ever

Nothing to see here. Perez is doing a great job really. Resistance working flawlessly.
You said the Dems were stupid to contest such a Republica stronghold. Yet, the Republicans had to dump money into an R+20 district to eek out a win. It looks to me like the Republican Party is going to need every penny of that money to have a chance of avoiding a massacre in 2018.
07-10-2017 , 09:31 PM
ST,

Interesting. I'm afraid of the Ron Paul nationalists who might be mules though.
07-11-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
ST, Interesting. I'm afraid of the Ron Paul nationalists who might be mules though.
The die-hard Ronulans aren't really a menace. We saw that at Occupy. By coincidence, both those fads, so to speak, peaked about the same time. There were a whole lot on Ronulans at first. If you go back, and look at the early news clips of Occupy, you'll see plenty of "Audit the Fed"/goldbuggery/R(Love)ution/etc signs. But... about three weeks later, they were all gone. Every single one.

Why this isn't a problem, is also why a conservative "Rhino Party" that mirrored the Mules wouldn't be viable. RWNJs are basically human trash. They're no good at, and don't really GAF, about the nuts and bolts of urban camping, or of phone banking. They don't, in general, volunteer. When they do, the fact that they're human trash means they are usually decidedly negative help. This is why all significant conservative political action is professionalized and astroturfed. This is why the Tea Party didn't become an actual political party.

But, this points out two more demographics the Mules would be designed to capture: (a) your hippy-dippy stoner Libertarian-type-ers, who aren't really into the Koch bros uber alles at it's core, and (b) your typical Librulz Occupy type, who s the Donkeys, but can't stomach actually being a Donkey.
07-11-2017 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
The best/most obscure reference post I've made is one that requires knowledge of libertarian dogma, economist kenneth arrow and the video game skyrim.

Watch the skies traveler for the trickle down.
07-14-2017 , 08:15 PM
Role Playing The Resistance: How Liberals Grift Movements In The Age Of Trump
https://shadowproof.com/2017/07/13/r...-age-of-trump/
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The exploitation of progressive rhetoric for the sake of advancing careers, building platforms, and launching hollow political campaigns has become part and parcel of the liberal grift. It is a long con game several are good at playing, as they boast of “resistance” but have no road map for what to politically do next.

Liberals have mastered the art of co-opting the language of socialism to appeal to their base while clinging to a neoliberal agenda that the Democratic Party has championed for at least the past few decades.

In the face of a presidential administration characterized as perfidious, and bumbling, the Democratic Party offers no alternative vision that will meaningfully challenge the current regime. The party establishment tells Americans the ship is sinking, but for propriety’s sake, they should not make too much noise.

The Democratic establishment incorporates the language of McCarthyism, including nationalist expressions denouncing treason and adulating patriotism, to confront President Donald Trump. They rehabilitate former President George W. Bush as an esteemed painter and retiree instead of regarding him as a war criminal who should have served time in prison.

Rather than lash out at Trump’s favorite policies, the glaring indecency of Trump causes the most vociferous pushback and consternation. They loathe the boorish executive, who is unable, or unwilling, to hide behind ornate language and long for an articulate capitalist, able to more politely commission executive orders, someone like former President Barack Obama.

If the president is going to uproot entire communities, spy on them, and bring nations to the brink of collapse, then the Democratic establishment thinks the president better look and sound magisterial. If there must be blood, then for the sake of public image, let the butcher have charm.

Twitter’s resident thread-maker, Eric Garland, a self-described “strategic intelligence analyst,” regularly expresses how Trump’s “humiliation of the nation” threatens an entire “world order.”

Garland proves once more that American pundits do not understand the world around them; only that the United States should be at the center of it, and our leaders should do what they must, as long as they don’t embarrass Americans.

With that in mind, it is no wonder that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is an American favorite, with four out of ten saying they would prefer him as president over Trump.

Trudeau is marketed as the anti-Trump—a charismatic, empathetic, and (arguably) attractive face of authority. This is fantastical depiction even includes his socks taking the international stage.

What is missing in this glamorous depiction of Trudeau, who is another cut out from Canada’s ruling class, is attention to policy, including the continuation of discriminatory government services access against indigenous people, the approval of pipeline projects, and a list of broken administrative promises, all of which have been denounced by First Nations groups like Idle No More.

Trudeau is a member of the #Resistance trio, which includes German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron, affectionately described as “leaders of the free world.”

Merkel, head of the conservative Christian Democratic Union party, who recently voted against Germany recognizing same-sex relationships, and Macron, an anti-union investment banker who openly fantasises about being godlike, or “Jupiterian,” are celebrated through political fan-fiction espoused by pundits as examples Trump should emulate.

But there is nothing appealing about newly elected president Macron, who recently suggested that African women are having too many children. Such depraved rhetoric is all too common, and even more brazen as it comes from the leader of a nation with a recent colonial history.

The fawning over Trudeau, Merkel, and Macron is significant. It shows how policies, which should be the most fundamental deciding factor in terms of one’s loyalty to politicians or parties, are so easily trumped by fealty to a political aesthetic.

Calls for liberation, as espoused and championed by the left—through struggles for health care, housing, workers rights, etc.—are viewed by the liberal as conditional and predicated on the basis of individual conditions rather than the material conditions of society as a whole.

The issue with the liberal establishment isn’t simply with corporate Democrats, or the Democratic Party, but with those who reject communal, internationalist solidarity efforts that would, for example, result in achieving universal health care for all.

It is necessary to repudiate the American liberal, its role in political power, and the ideology promoted because they typically fail to acknowledge the roots or systemic nature of problems facing citizens.

In November 2016, a universal health care measure known as ColoradoCare was defeated, thanks in part to a well-funded, vocal opposition: local Democrats.

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07-14-2017 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
ST,

Interesting. I'm afraid of the Ron Paul nationalists who might be mules though.
Anyone know where LirvA's at now? I kind of imagine he either went full MAGA-CHUD or is organising for the DSA, no middle ground.
07-14-2017 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Anyone know where LirvA's at now? I kind of imagine he either went full MAGA-CHUD or is organising for the DSA, no middle ground.
I'll tell you... but first I'm curious. Why did you ask that Q in this thread?
07-14-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
I'll tell you... but first I'm curious. Why did you ask that Q in this thread?
Just the mention of Ron Paul.
07-14-2017 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Anyone know where LirvA's at now?


Rumor is he's around.
07-14-2017 , 11:45 PM
Holy cow!
07-16-2017 , 11:14 AM
Dems can't talk about healthcare right now because there's too much appetite from their constituents for single payer.
07-16-2017 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
There was an article in the Boston Herald this morning about Dems struggling to find a message and being split on Russia nonsense vs healthcare.

The leadership has to be the dumbest of the dumb to not be spending every iota of political capital on the healthcare debate. They could be just bludgeoning Republicans over the head with healthcare, healthcare, healthcare over and over again, but instead every time you turn on the TV their media machine is talking about Russian stuff 24/7 that almost nobody in the country cares about.

The DNC is just historically incompetent right now.
Their media machine? I don't think an out-of-power party drives the media focus as much as you are assuming here.
07-16-2017 , 11:42 AM
Ratings kind of do though. Calling it a bunch of nothing no one cares about see seems off.
07-16-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Ratings kind of do though. Calling it a bunch of nothing no one cares about see seems off.
It's possible, but I don't think it's clear that Maddow-Hayes-O'Donnell one after the other all doing their entire show on the same story every night is the best thing for ratings. They don't seem to try anything else, so I don't see how they could know.

It does sound cheap and easy though. Combo of laziness, cost, and not being controlled by the Dem party, but both of them having the similar interests of giant corporations at heart.
07-16-2017 , 12:03 PM
Msnbc took over the number one spot doing what they are doing. Ratings got to be a least part of the reason they have Russia on all the time. People like scandal.
07-16-2017 , 12:13 PM
Is the DNC a lefty group?
07-16-2017 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Msnbc ratings are tied to anti-Trump sentiment on the left. They could do an hour show on healthcare, Russia, tax releases, or mocking the size of his hands, and their ratings wouldn't change.

Also dead wrong if you don't think the DNC and other influential lefy groups are behind narrative control.
There is really know way to show that so my assertion wins!!
07-16-2017 , 12:33 PM
Shuffle,

Do you think Tony Perez or whoever calls up Brian Roberts* and tells him what to put on his shows? I think it's more likely that Brian Roberts (and others like him) calls Tony Perez and tells him what to put on his show, er platform.

*CEO of Comcast, which owns NBCUniversal, which has the NBCUniversal Television Group division, which has the NBCUniversal News unit, which owns MSNBC.
07-16-2017 , 01:00 PM
DNC is a centrist capitalist group. At least they support civil rights, but that's a pretty low bar.
07-16-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
DNC is a centrist capitalist group. At least they support civil rights, but that's a pretty low bar.
The US is lucky that many multinational corporations support civil rights, not wanting to alienate any groups of consumers.
07-16-2017 , 02:00 PM
That's correct but as we saw in the North Carolina fight, the corporations are fine with "compromises" that really continue to discriminate against vulnerable communities as long as they can save face by not having the laws look quite so vicious on their face.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.506358f8df86
07-16-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Center left. Their hierarchy of needs aligns them more with center right than progressives though. They are acutely aware of this, which is why actual progressivism gets put on the backburner.
fixed
07-16-2017 , 05:25 PM

      
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