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09-08-2015 , 10:24 AM
http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/201...stian-refugees

Christian refugees only!
09-08-2015 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
You have to remember that most people are completely comfortable taking the position that governments should do what's best for their citizens only and give zero weight to the interest of everyone else in the world. It takes pretty graphic evidence to convince people how wicked that philosophy is.
Well this is the argument against outsourcing and globalization. You get cheaper products meanwhile their economies benefit.
09-08-2015 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
I think if you had done a poll the week before drowned Syrian kid, you'd have found that the UK's response was probably broadly in line with a lot of public opinion, which was pretty much 'meh not our problem, too many immigrants anyway'.

It's just annoying to me that it takes one image, and one dead child, to suddenly galvanise public opinion about a conflict that has killed 250,000, and now suddenly the government isn't doing enough.
That's not really what happened though. The story has been building fast to the point that the image of the dead kid could make big news. Same picture a few weeks earlier would have made minimal impact.

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20,000 over five years is a pathetically small gesture, but I suspect that if they'd announced this three weeks ago a lot people would have been all 'twenty ****ing thousand, what about our jobs / housing / pressure on the NHS / benefits, etc.'
They still will but maybe they get listened to far too much. If Corbyn wins next week it will be very interesting to see how popular a different approach is. I hope and suspect serious support for the refugees and more support for housing etc will be very popular.
09-08-2015 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That's not really what happened though. The story has been building fast to the point that the image of the dead kid could make big news. Same picture a few weeks earlier would have made minimal impact.


They still will but maybe they get listened to far too much. If Corbyn wins next week it will be very interesting to see how popular a different approach is. I hope and suspect serious support for the refugees and more support for housing etc will be very popular.
You seem to think that the number of refugees each country takes on is what makes the country good/bad. This will become an economic crisis if people keep pouring into Europe that can't give them housing, food etc.

Why isn't the root to the problem discussed? What happens when ISIS walks into Turkey? Will idiot politicians say that we can accept 50k turks?

If we dont end this war Europe will be over flooded with refugees that we can't take care of.
09-08-2015 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DanteA
You seem to think that the number of refugees each country takes on is what makes the country good/bad. This will become an economic crisis if people keep pouring into Europe that can't give them housing, food etc.
No, it's very bad that we dont help by taking more people because the need is so great and we can help, but that's only part of it. We should also be working hard within Europe to find common cause with the Germans etc.

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Why isn't the root to the problem discussed? What happens when ISIS walks into Turkey? Will idiot politicians say that we can accept 50k turks?
The root must be discussed. I very much hope it is being and Isis is clearly moving up the agenda fast - that's absolutely no reason to not help the refugees - these are perfectly decent people who are going to die or suffer greatly if they're not helped.

I'm the sort of idiot who wanted Turkey to be welcomed into the EU and consider the failure to do so as one of the biggest political missed opportunities ever - not sure you would enjoy my part in that discussion

Turkey is no easy meat for Isis like Iraq and Syria were, apart from anything else it has a vast well organised army - second largest in NATO by all accounts.
09-08-2015 , 06:13 PM
I doubt the economically sound Germans would have green-lighted the refugees they took if they anticipated the risk of an economic crisis. It's likely the refugees will benefit their economy given their aging work-force and low birth rate. The amount they are spending, even if the projection is very conservative, is chump change for their coffers. The calculation is of course different for different states, all i am saying is that its more complex than looking at the refugees as a black-hole into which money disappears. There is also the whole being nice to your fellow human beings thing.
09-08-2015 , 07:14 PM
As 100s of refugees break through police lines at a Hungarian holding camp in protest at conditions or to get further west what do you do as a member of the press?

Trip them.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/tv-ca...escape-police/
09-08-2015 , 08:02 PM
Reading german newssites on Facebook is absolutely hilarious. It's literally the same people posting on every report about refugees. Some highlights that made me laugh so badly were, a Romanian woman writing in broken German that we shouldn't accept anymore refugees.
It's especially hilarious because Romanians are among the least popular foreigners in Germany.

Another Hobby of mine is to correct the grammar of all the people that complain about the "Fachkräfte", their german is usually atrocious and they must feel awful when a guy with a totally foreign "muslim" name corrects their grammar(They obv don't know that my mother is german).
09-08-2015 , 08:10 PM
It's funny how the most anti-feminist types suddenly become concerned about the rights of women when the topic is Islam.
09-08-2015 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Compellingly Smart
It's funny how the most anti-feminist types suddenly become concerned about the rights of women when the topic is Islam.
And gays
09-08-2015 , 08:53 PM
In Germany everybody is concerned about pensioners and homeless people, the same people that walk past homeless people on the street.

Last edited by NiSash1337; 09-08-2015 at 09:01 PM.
09-08-2015 , 08:56 PM
Yeah very funny how people who dont care for feminism also don't think it's ok for ISIS to stone women to death etc

Sure Islamophobia is part of it but c'mon.
09-08-2015 , 09:21 PM
So how do the pro-refugee people address the strain that so many refugees puts on govt resources?
09-08-2015 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
So how do the pro-refugee people address the strain that so many refugees puts on govt resources?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/06/world/...rian-refugees/
09-08-2015 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
So how do the pro-refugee people address the strain that so many refugees puts on govt resources?
The amount of government resources put towards actually helping refugees is pretty miniscule as it is.
09-08-2015 , 09:42 PM
It's not that the resources are "put towards" refugees, but they will naturally tax things like emergency services.
09-08-2015 , 10:15 PM
What makes you think you deserve any of what you have ? Because your relatives several generations before you worked for it?
You won the spermlottery, that's the only reason you got what you have. Somewhere in Syria is somebody that is a better humanbeing than you ever will be but he didn't win that lottery.
09-08-2015 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NiSash1337
What makes you think you deserve any of what you have ? Because your relatives several generations before you worked for it?
You won the spermlottery, that's the only reason you got what you have. Somewhere in Syria is somebody that is a better humanbeing than you ever will be but he didn't win that lottery.
We obviously have to do more to accept refugees and spend more money to help them integrate.

But I swear to you thats the exact same argument the left uses when it argues against globalisation.
09-08-2015 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Compellingly Smart
It's funny how the most anti-feminist types suddenly become concerned about the rights of women when the topic is Islam.
I'm pretty sure you have that ass backwards. It's funny to watch so called "feminists" turn a blind eye to real oppression when the topic is Islam.

guy thinks quotas on STEM companies are unnecessary = OMGF!!!##! SEXISTMISOGYNISTSUCKBAG!!!##!#!!###

guy thinks girl's shouldn't have their clits chopped off or men shouldn't strangle their daughters for wearing yoga pants = "that's their culture dude, you're a racist!"
09-08-2015 , 11:03 PM
I actually think they need to multiply their budget by like 5x for the help.

Throwing them in ghettos or refugee camps is a long term disaster.

You gotta educate them right away.
09-09-2015 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by chabibi
I'm pretty sure you have that ass backwards. It's funny to watch so called "feminists" turn a blind eye to real oppression when the topic is Islam.

guy thinks quotas on STEM companies are unnecessary = OMGF!!!##! SEXISTMISOGYNISTSUCKBAG!!!##!#!!###

guy thinks girl's shouldn't have their clits chopped off or men shouldn't strangle their daughters for wearing yoga pants = "that's their culture dude, you're a racist!"
There are a lot of feminists advocating for the moderates in the religion that are resisting the extreme interpretations. I am pretty sure that its only the small fringe (of all people, not just feminists) that deny that culture (inter alia) plays a strong role in influencing the interpretation.
09-09-2015 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chabibi
I'm pretty sure you have that ass backwards. It's funny to watch so called "feminists" turn a blind eye to real oppression when the topic is Islam.

guy thinks quotas on STEM companies are unnecessary = OMGF!!!##! SEXISTMISOGYNISTSUCKBAG!!!##!#!!###

guy thinks girl's shouldn't have their clits chopped off or men shouldn't strangle their daughters for wearing yoga pants = "that's their culture dude, you're a racist!"
Solid post that won't get much support around here. AFAIK, most women probably aren't feminists either, but I would expect them to have some sympathy for things that happen to women throughout the world.

So, what's the plan for integration and assimilation?
09-09-2015 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by chabibi
I'm pretty sure you have that ass backwards. It's funny to watch so called "feminists" turn a blind eye to real oppression when the topic is Islam.

guy thinks quotas on STEM companies are unnecessary = OMGF!!!##! SEXISTMISOGYNISTSUCKBAG!!!##!#!!###

guy thinks girl's shouldn't have their clits chopped off or men shouldn't strangle their daughters for wearing yoga pants = "that's their culture dude, you're a racist!"
You exaggerate wildly when you say people get called a racist for objecting to FGM etc.

You have a valid point of course about the problem of ridiculously inflated language against people with relatively minor disagreements about feminism in the West. Only a few are genuinely confused by it through and it's fair enough to assume Compellingly Smart didn't mean much by his comment.

Islamophobia is a real problem so we have to take care to differentiate extremists like ISIS from Islam, and the practice of some from Islam as a whole.
09-09-2015 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by justjaidii
So, what's the plan for integration and assimilation?
I've never really understood this. What does it mean and why do we want it? As countries we have laws and a democratic process which apply to everybody.

I'm all for English (or German or ...) language teaching being easily available to anyone who wants it and access to information on how stuff works that is different to their home country is handy but somehow I don't think people mean this sort of useful stuff and I'm not quite sure what they do mean.
09-09-2015 , 02:57 AM
Germany thought about forcing them onto trains to Croatia or building barbed wire containment camps, but then thought that might not look good.

      
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