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I'll assume neither of you (True North, Lozen) work in the railway industry. The railway is safe, and gets safer year by year. The difference is the level of coverage that accidents get on the news.

There is significant railway legislation in place, and there were appropriate rules in place to curb what happened in Lac Megantic, but human error (and general laziness) played a big factor.

I don't see how anything Harper did, or didn't do, would have prevented it.

Hey I would rather ship oil than by pipelines. The current rail cars are not rated for the highly flammable stuff coming from the fracking in the the dakotas

08-22-2015 , 10:55 PM

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Hey I would rather ship oil than by pipelines. The current rail cars are not rated for the highly flammable stuff coming from the fracking in the the dakotas

I'll assume you're talking about the DOT-111 cars, which aren't all tank cars, and there is legislation in place to see them all replaced or retrofitted.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1229967/cn...111-tank-cars/

It's pretty hard and expensive to just build pipe lines to everywhere. Also, shipping the "highly flammable stuff" is only a small segment of overall freight moving on rails.

08-23-2015 , 11:24 AM

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Yes but it will be a long time before that is done. Though investing in the companies that make them may be a good strategy as we may not see a new pipeline for a while.

As for your comment about the highly flammable stuff being a small segment. That is true but the volume is still large. I remember 5 years ago we barely shipped any oil by rail now were in the millions of barrels

08-23-2015 , 02:14 PM

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Would you prefer trucks on the highways next to minivans carrying it?

08-23-2015 , 09:11 PM

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Would you prefer trucks on the highways next to minivans carrying it?

Im for Pipelines first and rail cars second.

08-23-2015 , 10:28 PM

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Im for Pipelines first and rail cars second.

I don't really get what any of this has to do with Harper.

Also, where are these pipelines you speak of that aren't being used in place of railcars?

08-24-2015 , 10:56 AM

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I don't really get what any of this has to do with Harper.

Also, where are these pipelines you speak of that aren't being used in place of railcars?

It doesnt Who started the rail conversation?

08-24-2015 , 09:41 PM

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http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/if-we...is-party-78000

08-25-2015 , 06:56 AM

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http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...ort-to-hide-it

08-25-2015 , 08:29 AM

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I still take Harper over Mulcair, that's an easy choice.

08-25-2015 , 09:23 AM

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sure, if you like government with zero accountability

08-25-2015 , 09:25 AM

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sure, if you like government with zero accountability

One does not simply allow the NDP to run a sovereign state. The only thing crazier than that would be letting the Green Party run the country.

08-25-2015 , 10:42 AM

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One does not simply allow the NDP to run a sovereign state. The only thing crazier than that would be letting the Green Party run the country.

The problem is the Green Party is one extreme when it comes to the environment and Harper is the other.

Harper put all his eggs into the resource bucket and it failed. Only thing that saves him is a few good wars in the Middle East and President Trump bombing the oil fields in Iran

THere was a point that I thought President Trump was ridiculous but the average American voter is stupid so if Bush can get two terms why not Trump

08-25-2015 , 11:45 AM

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Harper did not choose to peg the tsx to oil and mining. that choice was ultimately made by a guy with a lot more pull....

08-25-2015 , 01:41 PM

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One does not simply allow the NDP to run a sovereign state. The only thing crazier than that would be letting the Green Party run the country.

What, exactly, do you think is going to happen? Mulcair is promising balanced budget, cutting small business taxes, raising corporate taxes to lower than the average under Harper years, no other tax increases, and a modest spending increase mainly on a partial childcare program. This is a TINY step to the left, how is it crazy?

08-25-2015 , 04:19 PM

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Mulcairs child care is gonna cost more than he thinks. Though Harpers Rich tax cuts and TFSA increase only benefit the wealthy.

Im surprised the Liberals and NDP have not resorted to Harper's tactics. Screwed over veterans, PC MP led away in handcuffs and chains be a good ad with this is the guy in charge of PC integrity.

Running a slight smear campaign against Harper be easy

08-25-2015 , 04:27 PM

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Its classic tactics vs incumbent. Everyone has already made up their mind on Harper after so long that negative advertising is going to have little effect. What is more in flux is people's opinions of Trudeau and mulcair. So by doing positive advertising (ie saying good things about you) they help to set a positive impression of themselves. Besides, there are some third party groups running the sort of scandal centric the ads iirc. And they get the benefit of appearing like the good politicians doing the good thing with nice ads, even if it is just a tactic

08-26-2015 , 02:48 PM

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Mulcair is the least left-wing leader the NDP has ever had and his gov't wouldn't be much left of the Liberals. Just because he makes promises when campaign doesn't mean he'll be able to implement them. Mulcair would be little different than Rae when he was premier. He'll undo some of Harper's right wing social policies and shift things to the left in that regard. He'll disappoint and alienate a lot of people on the left with his inability to follow through on economic promises.

08-26-2015 , 05:27 PM

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THing about the NDP is Jack Layton or Mulcair at the helm of either parties would be a good ticket. Harper just comes off the wrong way. Trudeau Well he has great hair i hear

09-05-2015 , 01:15 AM

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Harper has to be doomed. Now he is getting linked to a dead child and not living up to his commitment of 10,000 Syrian Refugees.

Love how the NDP candidate says the PC's denied his application when in fact it was his brother.

If they lay charges against Pamela he is done 100 %.

09-05-2015 , 06:23 AM

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Author, poet, academic, and former Canadian diplomat Prof. Peter Dale Scott recently disclosed a wikileaks cable indicating that the International Republican Institute (IRI), an off-shoot of the CIA, and a subsidiary of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) helped install Stephen Harper as Canada’s Prime Minister. This was the coup.

09-05-2015 , 10:27 AM

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Ya that pic of the kid was horrifying, but does this issue really resonate? I presumed the general public isn't exactly wanting boatloads of Muslim Syrian terrorists showing up, even though it is obviously the right thing to do. I just don't feel it is going to animate people the way save door to door post does