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09-07-2012 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JLuv81
Since I don't work I sometimes volunteer at a church with a food bank. A lot of you have been fortunate enough to never experience hunger or food insecurity, let me assure you that it's REAL. I hear stories often of people who haven't had a decent meal in weeks, living off of change found on the floor. A grown man cried last week because he hadn't had cereal in 3 months, he literally went to McDonalds or BK every day for 3 months after he lost his job because if you call the number on the back of the receipt when you make any purchase you get a free sandwich.
It has been stated before in this thread but overweight/obese people that are in poverty sometimes have no choice but to eat badly in order to survive. Approximately 65% of the people I serve are at the very least overweight. With a couple of dollars you can buy burgers at the local fast food joint, but it wont get you far at the supermarket.
We already have a fix for this, it's called the SNAP program. I assume your food bank is signing them up.
09-07-2012 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
There definitely are hungry people, many of whom are children, in the US.

Though theoretically we (gov't+charities) provide enough in assistance to help everyone get the calories poor people need (even if not necessarily high quality calories), there are a lot of people out there not getting the assistance they need.
Are they hungry or starving? Are the kids not being fed out of neglect or lack of resources from the parents?
09-07-2012 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
[ ] reality
this almost makes me want to go take a pic at the catholic charities here in Vegas.
09-07-2012 , 11:40 AM
Don't adults get cut off from SNAP/Food Stamps at some point even if they are unemployed? Almost all the homeless people I see in my area are middle aged men.
09-07-2012 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FleeingFish
this almost makes me want to go take a pic at the catholic charities here in Vegas.
I'm sure there is a non-0% chance that your statement is true. Would it matter if the obese parent is getting food for their child who is obese or otherwise? Should many poor fat kids be put on the survivor island diet?

I find it quite shameful that we spend enough on bombs and 'freeing people from themselves' to buy 124MM people 3 $5 value meals everyday ($683.7 billion/365/3/$5).

I'm not saying we should be all things to all people, but don't you think we have enough money to make sure children go to sleep with a full belly? It is only saving ourselves money later down the road, especially with the amount of money that we spend on prisons.

If your point is that the OP/Title is a strawman, then I would agree. If your point is that we spend too much on SNAP and similar programs, I think you are dead wrong.
09-07-2012 , 12:50 PM
the problem is that the money is already there for kids to not be starving, it just isnt getting to them because their parents suck and spend it on shoes instead
09-07-2012 , 04:44 PM
Weird. How can this be? There's more people on food stamps than ever before, yet more people than ever are starving? Why weren't people starving as much in the past when charity was providing most of the help to the poor?
09-07-2012 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tzwien
Weird. How can this be? There's more people on food stamps than ever before, yet more people than ever are starving? Why weren't people starving as much in the past when charity was providing most of the help to the poor?
Pop-pop-pop-pop......pop-uuuuuuuulaaaasssshiouuuunn

(to nickaloedeon theme)

Did you know there are more ppl in America now than in 1776 ?
09-07-2012 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JLuv81
Since I don't work I sometimes volunteer at a church with a food bank. A lot of you have been fortunate enough to never experience hunger or food insecurity, let me assure you that it's REAL. I hear stories often of people who haven't had a decent meal in weeks, living off of change found on the floor. A grown man cried last week because he hadn't had cereal in 3 months, he literally went to McDonalds or BK every day for 3 months after he lost his job because if you call the number on the back of the receipt when you make any purchase you get a free sandwich.
It has been stated before in this thread but overweight/obese people that are in poverty sometimes have no choice but to eat badly in order to survive. Approximately 65% of the people I serve are at the very least overweight. With a couple of dollars you can buy burgers at the local fast food joint, but it wont get you far at the supermarket.
Fast food is more expensive than you think. Supermarket has Fruit, plenty of store brand foods cheap. Also there are numerous things at supermarket for 2 dollars or less. Some of it is canned but there's no reason to be living off dollar menus.

A vitamin water or an orange juice is less than two dollars, and he could also get a kellogs cereal bar for under a dollar.
09-07-2012 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by govman6767
Did you know there are more ppl in America now than in 1776 ?
Are you sure? Source?
09-07-2012 , 11:21 PM
Every time I hear about "zomg food stamps isn't enough" I think of a situation that happened while working at one of my rentals.

So I was working on a baseboard heater (was old, had to replace it) and while I was wiring the new one in the tenant's 28 year old daughter came home from grocery shopping. While working I overheard a conversation:

Daughter: "I hope you don't mind but I bought a bunch of extra bananas because they were on sale."

Tenant: "Oh that's great, I love bananas. How much were they?"

Daughter: "2 for $1"

That amount seemed ridiculously high, so I asked my wife when I got home how much we pay for bananas. (I haven't been the grocery shopper for about 7 years) Wife said....about 33 cents a pound at walmart.

Turns out the daughter was buying bananas (and everything else) from the 7/11 gas station down the road.

Ever since then I keep an eye out on where my tenants go for groceries. And most of them go to those overpriced corner grocery stores paying a HUGE mark up. Maybe the solution isn't more money, but wiser (and more selective) shopping?


edited to add: Tenant and daughter are both on section 8 (so their rent is paid for) both get SSD because they're too fat to work according to the government, and of course they're on food stamps. 100% of their income (for the past 4 years since they've been tenants of mine) is given to them for nothing in return.
09-07-2012 , 11:29 PM
^^ LOL poor people are just so fcuking dumb. However, it would cost way more to educate or even exterminate them than to just give them free food... unfortunately.
09-07-2012 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RikaKazak
Every time I hear about "zomg food stamps isn't enough" I think of a situation that happened while working at one of my rentals.

So I was working on a baseboard heater (was old, had to replace it) and while I was wiring the new one in the tenant's 28 year old daughter came home from grocery shopping. While working I overheard a conversation:

Daughter: "I hope you don't mind but I bought a bunch of extra bananas because they were on sale."

Tenant: "Oh that's great, I love bananas. How much were they?"

Daughter: "2 for $1"

That amount seemed ridiculously high, so I asked my wife when I got home how much we pay for bananas. (I haven't been the grocery shopper for about 7 years) Wife said....about 33 cents a pound at walmart.

Turns out the daughter was buying bananas (and everything else) from the 7/11 gas station down the road.

Ever since then I keep an eye out on where my tenants go for groceries. And most of them go to those overpriced corner grocery stores paying a HUGE mark up. Maybe the solution isn't more money, but wiser (and more selective) shopping?


edited to add: Tenant and daughter are both on section 8 (so their rent is paid for) both get SSD because they're too fat to work according to the government, and of course they're on food stamps. 100% of their income (for the past 4 years since they've been tenants of mine) is given to them for nothing in return.
A lot of poor people don't have cars. A lot of poor people live on food deserts as has been discussed already.

When I had food stamps I was able to make it stretch for the whole month but only by buying sensible food and having a car and being able to shop at Save-A-Lot and getting good deals and cooking most of my own food. That's fine, that's exactly what food stamps should be--and I am totally for not letting people use food stamps for soda, or other junk food. But recognize that food stamps, for a lot of people, are just barely enough because they don't have cars and live in food deserts, also often metro areas with very high prices.

Slash the food stamp budget and all of a sudden it goes from being not quite enough to not nearly enough for a lot of poor familes (including children).
09-07-2012 , 11:50 PM
And then people would actually have to work to get money. What a revolutionary idea.
09-07-2012 , 11:53 PM
Those lazy ****ing kids, why can't they get part time janitor positions after school? ****ing regulation, always the culprit.
09-07-2012 , 11:59 PM
Even though it's been said, I'll say it a different way: "most severe" food insecurity means they missed one day of eating in a year (by their own response). Nothing about underweight, malnourished, vitamin deficiency, etc.

Reality is anyone in the US that has health effects from a lack of food is maybe mentally ill, drugs, etc. But not simply poor.

Second there is nothing mentioned about immigration. All trends in the last 10-20 years have to take into account immigration (which has been primarily from poor countries) otherwise the trend will imply people (individuals) are getting "poorer." In reality the average (or quintile) is changing, but individuals are not necessarily suffering more.

Finally these kind of assertions don't take into account trends in public assistance, which despite cries of wolf, is more freely available than ever before. (Sorry didn't look for source but in generally you'll find this is correct.)
09-08-2012 , 12:06 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH
YOU CANT USE FOODSTAMPS AT THE ****ING QUICKSTOP
09-08-2012 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
A lot of poor people don't have cars. A lot of poor people live on food deserts as has been discussed already.

When I had food stamps I was able to make it stretch for the whole month but only by buying sensible food and having a car and being able to shop at Save-A-Lot and getting good deals and cooking most of my own food. That's fine, that's exactly what food stamps should be--and I am totally for not letting people use food stamps for soda, or other junk food. But recognize that food stamps, for a lot of people, are just barely enough because they don't have cars and live in food deserts, also often metro areas with very high prices.

Slash the food stamp budget and all of a sudden it goes from being not quite enough to not nearly enough for a lot of poor familes (including children).
1.) Buses. And if you can't afford the bus, you can get it for free in my city.

2.) The specific person we're referring to (my tenant), lives ~9 blocks from 7/11 and ~12 blocks from walmart, so it's not THAT big of a difference. (and I know they have free unlimited bus passes anyways)

3.) If I remember correctly (which this is off the top of my head so might be a little off) right now a single person gets ~$196 per month for food from food stamps. My wife and I are not hurting for money, yet we have a $200 per month per person (so $400 per month) food budget. We've been on the budget for ~3 years, and aren't hurting at all. We're just cheap and love saving the extra money. If we can live on that much, I don't see why someone who gets it all for free can't either.
09-08-2012 , 12:14 AM
Rika, how many times have you seen the sign that sais 'WIC approved' in the quick stop?
09-08-2012 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH
YOU CANT USE FOODSTAMPS AT THE ****ING QUICKSTOP
Are you trolling my post about why being a smarter shopper would help out the problem? Or are you claiming that you can't use food stamps at quickstops?

You can use food stamps at quickstops, and many other (stupid imo) places (like take out pizza places).

Not sure why you thought your post added anything to anything. Maybe think before you post in the future?
09-08-2012 , 12:19 AM
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/family/wi...s_eng_1-12.pdf

Oh wow, no pizza on the list. I wonder where it is.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/Contacts...yfoodlists.htm

Knock yourself out trying to prove how rediciulous your views on poor people in this country are.
09-08-2012 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
Rika, how many times have you seen the sign that sais 'WIC approved' in the quick stop?
So you're claiming you can't use food stamps at 7/11?

Care to wager?

If you're willing to bet enough, I'll drive there tonight and take a picture + upload. But I'm grinding right now (sick soft friday night) so you have to bet enough (with escrow) to make it worth my while to close down/drive there.
09-08-2012 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/family/wi...s_eng_1-12.pdf

Oh wow, no pizza on the list. I wonder where it is.
Care to wager?

edited to add: No way you'll bet me, so here you go, for free.

Papa Murphy Pizza places do accept them because you take it home and bake it.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_Pizza...#ixzz25qhUES00


The pizza place I'm referring to is a small ma and pa local one, but it's just like papa murphy.
09-08-2012 , 12:24 AM
No sorry bro. You see there are some people in this country who can't afford to wager $200 on stupid bull****. And as you can see, there are different lists in every state. I can assure you in Florida you can't buy any of this crap, cause the state legislature has stood up to the welfare queens like your doing now. Best of luck.
09-08-2012 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by A_C_Slater
^^ LOL poor people are just so fcuking dumb. However, it would cost way more to educate or even exterminate them than to just give them free food... unfortunately.
While I wouldn't phrase it this way, I think the post is correct that education is a big issue here. Even things that may seem obvious to some in this thread concerning the price and health and caloric content of various foods aren't as widely known as they should be. I imagine this plays a huge role here.

      
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