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Starvation on rise in United States Starvation on rise in United States

09-06-2012 , 02:18 PM
The way the questions are worded I could see myself answering yes because I decided to buy a car (or, in a girl's case, a pair of shoes) instead of good food. Especially given the 12 months time frame.

I absolutely do think healthy food is expensive and less accessible than junk calories. I just think this study is structured to get inflated numbers of rather questionable value.

Then OP manages to stretch the rather dubious version of "food insecurity" to mean starvation, making this thread a fail.

Last edited by grizy; 09-06-2012 at 02:25 PM.
09-06-2012 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
I absolutely do think healthy food is expensive and less accessible than junk calories. I just think this study is structured to get inflated numbers of rather questionable value.

Then OP manages to stretch the rather dubious version of "food insecurity" to mean starvation, making this thread a fail.
Agree in entirety.
09-06-2012 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
not going to double check your math even though I probably should, but your own link says

"In the 2000s, as we warily watch American corn crops diverted to ethanol production, Kellogg's prices rise again."

so yes by using corn supply for fuel instead of food, the price of corn has gone up. if humans could only survive by eating corn then this would indeed be a problem
Nearly everything we eat is subsidized by the corn industry. (minus food we get from the waters or other countries)

The soda we drink is sweetened by corn fructose syrup.

The meat we eat is fattened by corn feed. (prices of ground beef in the developed world, other than in Canada, are anywhere between 60 and 200+% higher than US)

Even other grains, fruits and vegetables are fertilized by corn by-products.

Last edited by grizy; 09-06-2012 at 02:43 PM.
09-06-2012 , 02:57 PM
Thread now suffering from butthurt insecurity after getting modded.
09-06-2012 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
Thread now suffering from butthurt insecurity after getting modded.
Well I think Jimmy got temp-banned due to his outburst at me. I made my points and they weren't refuted. Couple posters above agreed with me. We don't have starvation in the United States. We have the USDA using "food insecurity" as the new panic term. 50 years from now it will be "organic insecurity." Bureaucrats gonna bureaucrat.
09-06-2012 , 06:20 PM
Just buy food off the dollar menu. Also fruit isn't expensive.

You don't need to shop at whole foods to get grocery's. Rice at a chinese restaurant is under two dollars.

Unemployed people can get 200 dollars a month for food, I think thats plenty for one person.
09-06-2012 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It's really quite astonishing how much ignorance there is on this issue. Damn poor people eating all our food at getting fat...oh wait.
For many in poor neighborhoods fast food is cheaper than better quality foods. Fast food makes people fat.
09-06-2012 , 07:47 PM
While starvation is not on the rise in America as the OP suggests, access to healthy food in poor neighborhoods, particularly inner cities, is a real problem which cant necessarily be solved by throwing more money into SNAP

Baltimore has an initiative to combat the food desert problem that I find at least somewhat interesting.

http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2011/11...ery-at-a-time/

Some of the urban farming ideas in Detroit also seem interesting to me, but I dont know enough to comment how scalable/useful they are.
09-06-2012 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
The soda we drink is sweetened by corn fructose syrup.

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Not if it's over 20 oz in new york because of the wormwood
09-06-2012 , 08:22 PM
i havent eaten healthy food in 23 years and im fine. surely someone who isnt even working can find time to stay in shape
09-06-2012 , 10:00 PM
Are there really people starving in the US? Or is this just an invented statistic so we can count fat asses as starving for living in "food deserts" or whatever. dkjo confirmed 200+ lbs starving man.
09-06-2012 , 10:37 PM
There definitely are hungry people, many of whom are children, in the US.

Though theoretically we (gov't+charities) provide enough in assistance to help everyone get the calories poor people need (even if not necessarily high quality calories), there are a lot of people out there not getting the assistance they need.
09-06-2012 , 10:38 PM
Since I don't work I sometimes volunteer at a church with a food bank. A lot of you have been fortunate enough to never experience hunger or food insecurity, let me assure you that it's REAL. I hear stories often of people who haven't had a decent meal in weeks, living off of change found on the floor. A grown man cried last week because he hadn't had cereal in 3 months, he literally went to McDonalds or BK every day for 3 months after he lost his job because if you call the number on the back of the receipt when you make any purchase you get a free sandwich.
It has been stated before in this thread but overweight/obese people that are in poverty sometimes have no choice but to eat badly in order to survive. Approximately 65% of the people I serve are at the very least overweight. With a couple of dollars you can buy burgers at the local fast food joint, but it wont get you far at the supermarket.
09-07-2012 , 12:21 AM
Supermarket food is cheaper than fast food. Gallon of milk and a loaf of bread bam 3800 calories for 4 bucks. A pound of bananas is 70 cents. So cheap
09-07-2012 , 12:23 AM
... where do you live? I paid 3.69 for a gallon of milk just last week. And 2.39 for a loaf of bread.
09-07-2012 , 12:24 AM
Downtown chicago
09-07-2012 , 12:32 AM
If you want to compare the same things, beef is 3.29 a pound. Hamburger buns around 1.70 for 8. That's 5 bucks for 8 small burgers that are on the mcds dollar menu. Soda is obviously less expensive at the store too
09-07-2012 , 12:34 AM
You need to learn to reuse large sweet tea cups.

Add cheese too. Even assuming 0 waste, you don't save that much.
09-07-2012 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
Supermarket food is cheaper than fast food. Gallon of milk and a loaf of bread bam 3800 calories for 4 bucks. A pound of bananas is 70 cents. So cheap
Lucky you, where I live you can't walk out of the supermarket with those items for less than 6 bucks.
09-07-2012 , 12:36 AM
The point is hunger is a real problem in the United States. Is it as rampant as elsewhere? No. But it is exists and is a real problem in one of the richest countries in the world. We should make sure that isn't the case. It's very doable.
09-07-2012 , 12:36 AM
Well yeah if you steal food that will always be cheaper
09-07-2012 , 12:40 AM
Note that I am talking about an actual supermarket, not some organic hippie stand that some people think is the only place to get edible food
09-07-2012 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
Supermarket food is cheaper than fast food. Gallon of milk and a loaf of bread bam 3800 calories for 4 bucks. A pound of bananas is 70 cents. So cheap
Also, oatmeal.
09-07-2012 , 01:13 AM
People on food stamps get at minimum $400/month to pretty spend on food any way they want. This is more than enough to feed even large families nutritiously (and large families get more food stamps than that), and this does not even include the additional help provided by food pantries, etc.... The means are there for every American to eat healthy without exception, the only ones who don't are either too stubborn to take advantage of programs that are available or unaware they exist.
09-07-2012 , 05:01 AM
im pretty sure $1 covers about 400 worth of calories @ McDonalds. Or you can buy 25lb sacks of potatoes for like $5. Beef liver, chiken guizards are quite cheap. Dumpster diving is free.

Give me $3-4 a day and I'd survive w/o begging. I have zero sympathy for U.S citizens who are in good mental health and are "starving".

      
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