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Old 09-06-2012, 07:57 AM   #1
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Starvation on rise in United States

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It says Food Insecurity, but basically what it means is people who can't feed themselves due to empty food pantries, food stamps that don't cover the cost of food and very low incomes.

Romney and Ryan are both calling for cuts in the food stamps program as a way of reducing our debt, while calling for large tax cuts for the wealthy and increased military spending. I just wonder where their priorities are?

I think its easy to say that if you are a wealthy person, you have a huge disconnect of what it is like to be a person where lack of money is a major factor in day to day living.

I've worked for $2.13 an hour. I know what it is like to work and still have no money at the end of the day it seems like. I don't think either Romney or Ryan understand this, particularly since Ryan wants America to turn into an economic darwinism as a model for life in America.

I wish they read up more on the French Revolution, than on ideals that led to the French revolution.

Now I expect someone to blame Obama for this mess. THe last time food was this scarce for a large amount of poor people was when the food stamp program was created, the Great Depression. Eliminating or cutting the program is clearly not the answer to the problem since the program was designed to combat the problem. I think ROmney/Ryan will make the situation much worse before it gets better.

Dwight D Eisenhower summed up the Romney/Ryan plan of increases in spending on the military while cutting social programs with this quote from several generations ago.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

- Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:59 AM   #2
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Re: Starvation on rise in United States

meanwhile, we have an obesity problem.

I got it. We eat the obese people.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:10 AM   #3
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Poverty at 49.1 million not counting medical expenses.

http://news.yahoo.com/revised-govt-f...135427317.html
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Re: Starvation on rise in United States

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Eliminating or cutting the program is clearly not the answer to the problem since the program was designed to combat the problem.
Policy Y is "designed to combat" problem X.

Problem X remains and is getting worse despite policy Y being in place.

Now is not the time to modify policy Y if anything it should be increased.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:28 AM   #5
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And yet the 14 yr old moderator Wookies ass hunts down my posts and closes them....let me guess obama does understand your pain? Gimme a break dude....he is every bit the same entitled person Romney is....neither know what the poor and middle class experience.
Well I don't think Obama has the same priorities that Romney has. Romney chalks up people who require assistance and not supporting his massive tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of Americans as simply envy. Any suggestion at raising taxes on the wealthy is quickly derided as class warfare and socialism.

He calls for smaller government as in less spending on basic social safety net programs, but wants to expand our bloated military budget even more than it is already.

He has a different set of priorities than Obama, hence why they are running on two entirely different political platform. Romney's platform is favorable to people who are similar to Romney, I.E. Wealthy. Obama's platform is more directly beneficial to people who are lower class, middle class, and impoverished. If you aren't wealthy you have no business voting for Romney, unless you don't think or vote in your own self-interest.

I do agree that there is class warfare in this country going on though, its the wealthy waging it on the rest of us. I think if starvation continues to grow and reaches a certain point, a French Revolution style civil war will occur in in the United States as the rule of law falls apart when there is masses of impoverished people in the country that was use to a middle class standard of living and no problem finding work at a decent wage.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:01 AM   #6
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Re: Starvation on rise in United States

You'd have to be a really healthy eater to be starving on food stamps.
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You'd have to be a really healthy eater to be starving on food stamps.
It's called government cheese for a reason. Food stamp eaters don't have a lot of choice in how healthy their peanut butter is.
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I do agree that there is class warfare in this country going on though, its the wealthy waging it on the rest of us. I think if starvation continues to grow and reaches a certain point, a French Revolution style civil war will occur in in the United States as the rule of law falls apart when there is masses of impoverished people in the country that was use to a middle class standard of living and no problem finding work at a decent wage.[/QUOTE]

This is maybe my biggest problem with obama....he is the most decisive President maybe ever, hell all his rich vs poor talk even makes me look at someone driving a lambo these days with not so much envy...but a twinge of anger....although only for a second before I remember this is what he wants....us to hate the rich, not admire their wealthy. Oh and there is that fact everything he said he would do he did not....Gitmo..wars..transparency (maybe the biggest lol of them all) cut deficit..reign in wall st..Romney has not proven for the last 4 years he is an outright different person than the one seeking election....again I am no Romney fan....but obama is literally driving people away from the country. These new Democrats have zero in common with the Clinton era ones...and frankly scares me how they ALL stepped right in line with whatever obama wanted no matter how far off base...my 2 cents before Snookie comes and erases more of my posts and threads. As for my DG post, that was my mistake....I thought this was a blog site, but there is as much politics here (see snookies attacks on conservative posters vs obama ) as in congress.....
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you can say that... but i think you are going to have a harder problems trying to convincing peoples of what you saying... obama is a divisive man no doubtfully though yes..
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It's called government cheese for a reason. Food stamp eaters don't have a lot of choice in how healthy their peanut butter is.
So can someone be starving and obese at the same time? Like, I only get one meal a day so I am not fulfilled and thus starving, even if that one meal is 3000 calories?
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This is maybe my biggest problem with obama....he is the most decisive President maybe ever, hell all his rich vs poor talk even makes me look at someone driving a lambo these days with not so much envy...but a twinge of anger....although only for a second before I remember this is what he wants....us to hate the rich, not admire their wealthy..
The wealthy are the wealthiest they have been since the 1920's or in about 90 years, almost a full century. THe poor in this country are the poorest they have been since the 1960's or just prior to the war on Poverty, although there definitely isn't as many poor people today as there was in the 1930's.

Your initial reaction to someone driving a car worth more than a house isn't really a bad feeling. Most people have a negative connotation with the word "Robber Baron" Robber Baron's were people in the early 1900's and late 1800's that had amassed enormous amounts of wealth from dubious business practices. Today's billionaires, some have accumulated similar amounts of wealth as the old Robber Baron's also through dubious business practices. For example the Walton's is probably the richest family in the world, even wealthier than the Saudi Royal family and they did it through the retail market and an enormous chain of stores. Around half of their employees live on food stamps and Medicaid. Do you see something wrong with that situation?

There is something inherently wrong with the tax structure when capital gains, which is a form of wealth, is taxed at a lower percentage, than wages for work are. Work is the primary source of income for the middle class and poor. Capital gains is the primary source of income and wealth for the wealthy. As it sits now we honor wealth and capital gains, more than work.

Romney is running on keeping capital gains taxes low, more tax cuts for the wealthy (who also get the largest percentage decrease from his tax cut) and Obama is running on a platform that requires everyone who makes more than $1 million in a year, to pony up 30% of their new found wealth and income in taxes.

As far as I can tell, what tax cuts for the wealthy accomplishes not more job creation and lower prices from products through increases in supply (supply side economics). It causes wages to be depressed, increases in poverty, large increases in national debt. The only people who seem to benefit from large tax cuts for the largest wealth holders in this country are in fact the wealthy, rather than anyone else.
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Re: Starvation on rise in United States

Poverty is on the rise in the U.S. Starvation is not. Many in line at food banks are obese.
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Poverty is on the rise in the U.S. Starvation is not. Many in line at food banks are obese.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:36 AM   #14
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Supermarkets and food service stores throw a disgusting amount of food away that could easily be put in community food banks, refreshed daily nationwide. But they want to avoid lawsuits and moochers while not caring so they won't.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:37 AM   #15
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Obesity can be a form of malnutritition. Ive put on some pounds since I took up drinking alcohol. Alcohol in its basic form is entirely devoid of nutrition and composed entirely of empty calories. There is no nutrition in Vodka for example even though it can make you fat.

Impoverished people are more prone to being fat from lower quality diets but this can still bring about enormous health problems even if they don't die directly from lack of food.

While maybe this country could stand to lose a few pounds, I don't think malnutrition or starvation is a good way to live in this country.
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