Sorry officer you got the wrong address... - Page 9 - Politics and Economics

DblBarrelJ · 07-17-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul D

No, that isn't what they're saying at all...

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Originally Posted by will1530

Seriously, learn to read.

There's no comprehension issues here. Logic doesn't fit the rhetoric so we change the argument lol

Bremen · 07-17-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BAIDS

sure, but the arguer would be an idiot

I'll gladly be an idiot if I get to live

will1530 · 07-17-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

There's no comprehension issues here. Logic doesn't fit the rhetoric so we change the argument lol

Dbl you've known lots and lots of cops and maybe I'm completely wrong here. If someone ends up nose to nose with two average cops holding a deadly weapon and those cops are expecting to confront a dangerous felon, is there a significant difference in how often the cops shoot based on the specific weapon being held?

Paul D · 07-17-2012, 12:07 AM

This thread is interesting because I was very anti-guns when I was younger. But polemics with those who support the right to bear arms changed my views. Too bad some people cannot weigh out issues fairly.

DblBarrelJ · 07-17-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by will1530

Dbl you've known lots and lots of cops and maybe I'm completely wrong here. If someone ends up nose to nose with two average cops holding a deadly weapon and those cops are expecting to confront a dangerous felon, is there a significant difference in how often the cops shoot based on the specific weapon being held?

Not much, although the training will play a factor. These idiots were clearly undertrained for the task at hand.

Guys that haven't been through hardcore simunitions training or something similar will freak out, shoot a guy with a bat/knife thats beyond range, will fail to ID & Command, etc.

Paul D · 07-17-2012, 12:16 AM

What I am wondering is if the cops involved in this shooting even bothered getting intel from anywhere.

How did they even show up at the wrong door in the first place?

DblBarrelJ · 07-17-2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul D

What I am wondering is if the cops involved in this shooting even bothered getting intel from anywhere.

How did they even show up at the wrong door in the first place?

Anonymous intel, likely. Well run depts have Fugitive units with well trained operators who do nothing day in and day out but serve high risk warrants or train serving high risk warrants.

**Regret$** · 07-17-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Veteran68

Not sure what's funny? In this variation of the drill, the shooter and attacker are back to back. The shooter shoots a target in front of him while the attack is running in the opposite direction. If the attacker covers 21 feet before the shooter can make a clean shot on the target, it proves the point of the drill. He's not shooting the attacker in the back if that's what you're thinking.

My mistake. I re-read and you are right. The wording was funny and made me laugh.

joeyDizzle · 07-17-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul D

What I am wondering is if the cops involved in this shooting even bothered getting intel from anywhere.

How did they even show up at the wrong door in the first place?

Apparently someone spotted the guy they were looking for at the apartment complex where the victim lived. The fugitive's bike was "across" from the victim's front door.

Paul D · 07-17-2012, 01:07 AM

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Apparently someone spotted the guy they were looking for at the apartment complex where the victim lived. The fugitive's bike was "across" from the victim's front door.

I meant more on the terms if they contacted their HQ to verify addresses on the perp.

joeyDizzle · 07-17-2012, 01:10 AM

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I meant more on the terms if they contacted their HQ to verify addresses on the perp.

I don't think the fugitive lived in the apartment complex.

[Phill] · 07-17-2012, 01:16 AM

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I wonder if he ever stopped and thought about all the knife violence that the UK has had in the past few years...

You could make an entire thread on why that happened*, but in the meantime lol at that not being a great argument that gun control works.

* well, I could cos I lived through it and thought about it a lot, its a really complex problem that happened

DblBarrelJ · 07-17-2012, 01:18 AM

The pro-move here is to set up a surveillance man in the parking lot, confirm that is in fact the targets motorcycle, if so place marked units near every exit, put a takedown team in an unmarked vehicle near the bike, K9 on scene, then send two uniformed officers to the door. He either let's them in and is arrested without incident or runs, in which case he's either tackled, dogbit, tased, or all of the above.

AlexM · 07-17-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

We've had this discussion with BAIDS before.

His largest failure is not understanding the difference between US and UK cultures, as well as not taking into account the overwhelming number of guns in private hands in this country.

It's not really an argument worth repeating. The fact is, research shows that while UK gun violence is lower than US gun violence, a little historical research shows UK gun violence has ALWAYS been lower than US gun violence.

Even before the massive UK gun bans were implemented.

With slightly more research you will further discover UK gun violence hasn't significantly dropped from pre-ban rates, its only slightly dropped off.

How does the UK's gun violence compare to Switzerland, where all adult males have assault rifles in their homes?

elgreenhornet · 07-17-2012, 03:09 AM

right to bear arms is for protection from the government