the amount of goalpost shifting in this thread is insane.

my favourites are DBJ turning "having a bat" into "swinging a bat full force at someone head" and then Myrna turning "knocking on the door which you answer" into a home invasion scenario!

LOL!

The fact that you're ok saying that in reference to a shooting in which the people you desire to remain armed gunned down one of the people you desire to disarm and are using it as an argument to advance an agenda of civilian disarmament disturbs me.

so it would have been justified for the victim to shoot the cops the second they set foot inside his house right?

Phill stop drunk poasting.

The conversation was a discussion of whether trained individuals would consider a bat a legitimate deadly force threat.

Short answer? LDO.

my point is very clear: they are less likely to gun him down if he's not pointing a gun at them. again, i'm not blaming the victim here, it's not his fault that his govt foolishly allows anyone to own a gun.

#2:

You do realize that if the Govt. did ban guns, law-abiding citizens would be fooked?

Phil is not making sense. Contrasting his statements here vs the Trayvon thread could be amusing.

nope. see: a lot of countries

you are right . I was under the impression they broke into his home. still does not excuse them from not ID ing themselves.

Hmmm. So, let's get this straight. These guys who ****ed up, they probably wouldn't **** up if only the peasants couldn't own guns?

The fact that they're out in civilian clothes refusing to ID themselves and likely breaking and entering in the dark be damned right?

BAIDS is like "**** logic ITT! Imma curry this water!"

Not sure what's funny? In this variation of the drill, the shooter and attacker are back to back. The shooter shoots a target in front of him while the attack is running in the opposite direction. If the attacker covers 21 feet before the shooter can make a clean shot on the target, it proves the point of the drill. He's not shooting the attacker in the back if that's what you're thinking.

I have a question for all you gunowners. if someone is knocking at your door at 130am , and they are cops, so i am sure its not gently. Do you bring your gun with you to the door?

Dude, your point is wrong. If you in anyway threaten a person with a bat and they are armed with a gun, you are dead, and they are justified in shooting you.