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Federal law says all delegates are unbound Federal law says all delegates are unbound

06-05-2012 , 03:28 AM
http://www.examiner.com/article/fede...es-are-unbound


The Ron Paul Revolution is determined to find every federal source that states that all delegates will be unbound. Up to this point, they have managed to find a Republican Party rule that supports free agents, Rule 38. However, that was not enough to satisfy themselves.

In more recent discoveries, they have found that 42 USC § 1971 - Voting Rights supports the claim that voters cannot be forced by anyone to vote for any candidate he or she does not favor.

“No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives, Delegates or Commissioners from the Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such candidate." - 42 USC § 1971 - Voting Rights.

The response from the rest of the Republican Party was that this does not account for conventions or nominations. However, this latest finding will trump that claim. 11 CFR 100.2 - Election (2 U.S.C. 431(1)) clearly states that:

“Caucus or Convention. A caucus or convention of a political party is an election if the caucus or convention has the authority to select a nominee for federal office on behalf of that party.” - 11 CFR 100.2 - Election (2 U.S.C. 431(1)).

Federal law has the ability to trump all state laws as well as party rules. The Paul supporters now have two federal sources that support their claim that all delegates at the Republican National Convention are free agents. The challenge to the Paul supporters now is, can they alert all of the “bound” Paul supporting delegates?
06-05-2012 , 03:31 AM
I really hope there are some ****ing fireworks at that convention imo.
06-05-2012 , 03:49 AM
Would be nice to see Paulites seriously **** up the Romney machine.
06-05-2012 , 08:28 AM
Even if delegates aren't legally bound there is no way enough will switch to change the outcome.

They could be a huge PITA for the republican party though with a voter intimidation lawsuit.
06-05-2012 , 08:42 AM
This combined with the secret delegates will clinch it for RP.
06-05-2012 , 09:05 AM
I'll bet money that RP doesn't get over 500 delegates.
06-05-2012 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I'll bet money that RP doesn't get over 500 delegates.
How much and how do we determine it?
06-05-2012 , 09:42 AM
Why does Ron Paul hate democracy?
06-05-2012 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LVpokerPRO
http://www.examiner.com/article/fede...es-are-unbound


The Ron Paul Revolution is determined to find every federal source that states that all delegates will be unbound. Up to this point, they have managed to find a Republican Party rule that supports free agents, Rule 38. However, that was not enough to satisfy themselves.

In more recent discoveries, they have found that 42 USC § 1971 - Voting Rights supports the claim that voters cannot be forced by anyone to vote for any candidate he or she does not favor.

“No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives, Delegates or Commissioners from the Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such candidate." - 42 USC § 1971 - Voting Rights.

The response from the rest of the Republican Party was that this does not account for conventions or nominations. However, this latest finding will trump that claim. 11 CFR 100.2 - Election (2 U.S.C. 431(1)) clearly states that:

“Caucus or Convention. A caucus or convention of a political party is an election if the caucus or convention has the authority to select a nominee for federal office on behalf of that party.” - 11 CFR 100.2 - Election (2 U.S.C. 431(1)).

Federal law has the ability to trump all state laws as well as party rules. The Paul supporters now have two federal sources that support their claim that all delegates at the Republican National Convention are free agents. The challenge to the Paul supporters now is, can they alert all of the “bound” Paul supporting delegates?
It's good to see that some RP supporters were able to take some time away from making up bogus tax protester arguments and support the cause by making up bogus election law arguments.
06-05-2012 , 10:07 AM
To heck with the convention, RP is going to try to get this applied to the Electoral College.
06-05-2012 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
To heck with the convention, RP is going to try to get this applied to the Electoral College.
I'd love to see the electoral college gtfo forever but this won't do it. It'll take a constitutional amendment for that to happen.
06-05-2012 , 12:15 PM
Maybe the flag at the RNC will have gold fringe.
06-05-2012 , 12:20 PM
Im sure the consequences of a small slap on the wrist well after the election has been decided will have a major effect on GOP actions here.

Does the FEC even have a quorum these days?
06-05-2012 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
To heck with the convention, RP is going to try to get this applied to the Electoral College.
Electors from the EC routinely will vote for someone else. John Edwards got an electoral vote in 2004 (he also got the VP vote from the same elector). In 2000, a DC Gore voter abstained. In 1976, an elector voted for Reagan instead of Ford.
06-05-2012 , 12:56 PM
lol states rights
06-05-2012 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Maybe the flag at the RNC will have gold fringe.
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Originally Posted by Omar Comin
lol states rights
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Why does Ron Paul hate democracy?
Bahahahahaha

Gonna be so hilarious if RP supporters steal the primary out from under the Butcher of Bain, the butthurt will be so ridiculously strong.
06-05-2012 , 01:45 PM
Personally, the butthurt I'm looking forward to is when the delegate tally posted for Paul at the convention is substantially less than the delegates currently ascribed to Paul.
06-05-2012 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Bahahahahaha

Gonna be so hilarious if RP supporters steal the primary out from under the Butcher of Bain, the butthurt will be so ridiculously strong.
Never going to happen, but would be hilarious.

What would be a fair general election line for the popular vote Obama vs. Ron Paul where he got like 10% of the total Republican pimary vote? 65%-35%?
06-05-2012 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
How much and how do we determine it?
100 bucks is what I was thinking. As for how it's decided I'd say official RNC numbers but TBH I'm not sure if they release that stuff or when or any specifics.
06-05-2012 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
Never going to happen, but would be hilarious.

What would be a fair general election line for the popular vote Obama vs. Ron Paul where he got like 10% of the total Republican pimary vote? 65%-35%?
I can't see Paul getting anywhere close to 35 percent. Would a single disenfranchised Republican vote for Paul?
06-05-2012 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
I can't see Paul getting anywhere close to 35 percent. Would a single disenfranchised Republican vote for Paul?
No, but they would vote against Obama, for the same reason Romney would get votes.

Romney isn't exactly well loved by Republicans. There's a reason why the entire campaign is basically "No Obama" (instead, vote Obama Lite).
06-05-2012 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
No, but they would vote against Obama, for the same reason Romney would get votes.

Romney isn't exactly well loved by Republicans. There's a reason why the entire campaign is basically "No Obama" (instead, vote Obama Lite).
Ridiculous. If Romney isn't well loved by Republicans than Paul is despised by Republicans. Paul and his million dollar war chest couldn't run a single national ad. I mean I recognize this is a stupid alternate universe thought experiment but the hate for Paul that would ensue if the nomination was stolen would be immense.
06-05-2012 , 04:17 PM
Yeah, no ****ing way that 'election stealing anti democracy war hating unelectable nutter' would be backed by the Republican base.

I dont even think RP would finish second if he stole the nomination through dirty tricks and loopholes.
06-05-2012 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
There's a reason why the entire campaign is basically "No Obama" (instead, vote Obama Lite).
Lol. You may not like Romney. But he's running on his past experience as an executive, not as "not Obama." (Although, yes, he's going to get a bunch of "anyone but Obama" votes.
06-05-2012 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gusmahler
Lol. You may not like Romney. But he's running on his past experience as an executive, not as "not Obama." (Although, yes, he's going to get a bunch of "anyone but Obama" votes.
And not running on his experience as governor

      
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