Lol @ gamblor. Israel considering strike against Iran isn't worthy of discussion in a thread about the possibility of a US strike on Iran and heightened Iranian tensions with Israel's closest ally. And obviously if you bring this up you must have a problem with Jews. Lieberman wants his talking points back bro.

Lol @ gamblor. Israel considering strike against Iran isn't worthy of discussion in a thread about the possibility of a US strike on Iran and heightened Iranian tensions with Israel's closest ally. And obviously if you bring this up you must have a problem with Jews. Lieberman wants his talking points back bro.

Zionists made you double post imo.

I know I'm not a hater 'cause I don't even know what a Zionist is. There's a lot of churches with Zion in their name around here. Does that have something to do with it?

can somebody answer how unprecedented the current rumblings from Israel are right now or is this just standard sabre rattling?

Sabre rattling, I suspect. Unless more than Joe Lieberman's on board, this will should end quietly.

It's not that it is unprecedented, but rather the current rumblings (at least according to media) are quite loud and are not dissipating. This makes the possibility of an attack that much more real.

No. Zionism is political protectionism masquerading as religion.

I wish I agreed with this.

nice straw man. the same guy brought up several times prior to this post, some ostensibly odious "jewish" lobby influence over the american government vis-a-vis iran. as if jewish influence is any more "bad" for america than any other special interest influence. or as if the "wasp" lobby, the "black" lobby or "corporate" lobby or "urban socialist 99%" lobby was any less a "special interest"?

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what the ****? zionism is a diverse political belief, but the only thing all of the branches have in common is the belief that jews should settle in israel. some think its a secular, historical and cultural imperative, others a labour and agricultural imperative, and still others a religious imperative. some think the right is exclusive, others think israel should be multicultural. some think it is a national endeavour, others think it is a humanist endeavour.

ergo, you should probably sit this thread out and learn a little (and stop hijacking op). back to iran/us pls.

This is probably off topic but...What do you think of how secular look at these problems? What I mean is, why do you let story books about fictional characters influence your desired settlement location?

fwiw herzl himself was devoutly secular. not religiously observant. but belief in the bible aside, it does represent a fairly accurate (in the most basic sense) history of the jewish people. slavery in egypt, the political conflicts of eretz israel, the archaeological record verifies much of the bible, if not a magical figure that parts seas and creates miracles. suffice to say, the jewish people emerged from israel and are historically and intrinsically the "sons of israel" as they are referred to in historical texts.

the different views can be summed up as follows: Types of Zionism

this thread has been hijacked enough. if someone starts a "zionism" thread i'll post there.

Dude. You need to stop.

You are paranoid. No one has any desire to persecute the Jewish people in the US or abroad. When you keep insisting this, you are making yourself look very very silly.

Even if Iran had nukes, do you really think that they would ever use them against Israel? They know that if they ever used nukes against Israel, they would be nuked out of existence. Tehran would be reduced to one big pothole.


But I sure as **** do not want the US to go to war with Iran just to protect Israel. WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER SILLY ARAB INVASION. There is NO NEED to attack Iran. Why? Because Iran would be committing suicide if they ever attacked Israel. And they know this. And you should too.

You just described how Israelis/Jews see Zionism, not how Zionists see Zionism. And I'll post when I feel like it, ty for the advice though.

http://comedians.jokes.com/louis-c-k...s-a-funny-word

Above is the problem that Jews have in this country. Nobody can tell if someone is just talking, or being ****ty about the subject.

You can tell if somebody doesn't like white people. Or black people. Or Chinese people. Or Vietnamese. Jews need a better derogatory name.

there is so much fail in this post i don't even...

the basics:

1) iran is not an arab country.

2) the whole point of nuclear weapons is that you never have to use them; the fear is not of "war", but of the shift in the balance of power created by giving a politician that regularly claims that the "zionists" are behind 9/11 and the holocaust is a myth and that israel is nearing destruction and that finances some pretty serious terrorist organizations in their neverending campaign against israeli citizens (Hamas, Hezballah, and Islamic Jihad) and a that also finances a nearby dictator that has killed several thousand of his own citizens in the last few months. giving him nukes is a very very bad idea, because now he can do all sorts of things without worrying about how anyone else will respond, because he can respond in kind.

context and tone is a pretty good indicator imo.

but, if youre singling out "jews" or even "the jewish people" as behind a particular problem, chances are that the person is being ****ty about the subject.

lolololololol. what is the source of your expertise?

I might have said the same thing awhile back and been wrong as well. Jews are much more keen on how they are percieved across the globe than you and me. I'm not Jewish and it's fairly easy to think their "paranoid" and it's easy to see Israeli policy taking advantage of those irrational fears in the interest of conquest. The reality is that most jews have alot to be bothered about though.

see post 173 again

infowars ldo

Lolll at all the terribly informed zionism is X posts. Fwiw, I'm British, patriotic, an atheist, have never been to Israel, and I consider myself a zionist, or at least a supporter of zionism. There is no contradiction there, and it's nothing to do with talking snakes or God promising the land of Israel to the Jewish people or any of that fictional nonsense. It starts and ends pretty much at a belief that the Jewish people have a right to self-determination, and they have a right and ongoing need for a state for their security because of all the Jew-hating fcuk-heads in this world. It's not really a complex belief at its core, and has nothing to do with the Bible (outside of that being an important factor in the development of Jewish culture, and thence, nationhood, it's nothing to do with settlements, or current Israeli policy or the Gaza war or AIPAC or anything like that. It's just about self-determination for the Jewish nation in Israel.

Does Palestine have the same "right" to self determination?

Since when does Zionism have anything to do with semetic jews?

Please read the "Protocols of Zion"

TY

Admittedly I usually gloss over your tl;dr posts, as I do with most posters in this forum, but I thought you were pretty rational until I read this. So annexing some land is just, yeah, whatever, we need protection cos people are mean to us, right?