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And so it begins (Iran - US precursors to war) And so it begins (Iran - US precursors to war)

10-14-2011 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
wtf is that "more evil doers" island?
10-14-2011 , 01:12 PM
Middle east is getting kinky.
10-14-2011 , 01:31 PM
Has the Euphrates River dried up yet?

Lets Armagetiton?
10-14-2011 , 06:21 PM
heh, refrains from fingering


10-15-2011 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by todd1007
US accuses Iran of plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador to the US

Things will escalate until we end up invading Iran and doing Israel's dirty work for them.

The US sucks.
lol naturally israel is suddenly involved. been boning up on your protocols lately?
10-15-2011 , 08:24 AM
More like Zionist protocols AMIRITE!
10-15-2011 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Vael
Didn't even notice Africa is missing.
Pirates/AIDS
10-15-2011 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
JSYK, I wasn't directing that tirade at you, unless you're scared of some of those things I mentioned.

In which case, we need to talk.
nah, I'm on yer side imo.
10-15-2011 , 10:39 AM
So, either all of us talking about how much bs this whole thing is will raise awareness in the country to prevent our machine going off half-cocked, or I'll see you all in gitmo!
10-15-2011 , 10:51 AM
Thank god awareness was raised.
10-15-2011 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
Thank god awareness was raised.
would you like the std 8x5 or to share a 10x6?
10-15-2011 , 11:22 AM
Everything else aside, how in god's name would the US afford another foreign war? The country is in a financial crisis as it is. Attacking Iran is -EV for so many reasons that it is ridiculous that people are even giving it consideration here.
10-15-2011 , 11:28 AM
^^^ This. Someone even mentioned an invasion? There is zero appetite for an invasion save on the Ann Coutler nutjob fringe. There's also little appetite for bombing their nuclear facilities. Seems they're using it to further their case for deepening the sanctioning and isolation of Iran in the parts of the international community which are holding out right now.
10-15-2011 , 11:30 AM
Why can't we just all get along.
10-15-2011 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Not_In_My_Name
^^^ This. Someone even mentioned an invasion? There is zero appetite for an invasion save on the Ann Coutler nutjob fringe. There's also little appetite for bombing their nuclear facilities. Seems they're using it to further their case for deepening the sanctioning and isolation of Iran in the parts of the international community which are holding out right now.
And how are sanction going to hurt Iran? They sell all the oil they want to China.

If the US is going to threaten Iran in any way, it would be through armed conflict.
10-15-2011 , 12:03 PM
I think what people itt are saying (indirectly) and the MSM is not, is that there has to be some explanation. You've heard stories about how shocking it is but government wants to do something about it immediately. You see the campaign aspect from gov intertwined with everyone else scratching their heads. You see government moving full speed with their green light to put more heat on Iran.

If your government and your in agreement (completely bipartisan btw) that we need to convince the public that these are very bad guys. It's not necessary to completely distinguish truth from fiction. It's your duty to say well it could be true. Well, I don't have to nod my head every time they do this ****.

I've seen plenty of arguments on Iran. Yes it's true that Israel is at the extreme end. Most Israeli/ Jewish geopoliticial material on Iran centers around an ideology devoted to either global religious unity or global destruction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi
10-15-2011 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ShttsWeak
I think what people itt are saying (indirectly) and the MSM is not, is that there has to be some explanation. You've heard stories about how shocking it is but government wants to do something about it immediately. You see the campaign aspect from gov intertwined with everyone else scratching their heads. You see government moving full speed with their green light to put more heat on Iran.

If your government and your in agreement (completely bipartisan btw) that we need to convince the public that these are very bad guys. It's not necessary to completely distinguish truth from fiction. It's your duty to say well it could be true. Well, I don't have to nod my head every time they do this ****.

I've seen plenty of arguments on Iran. Yes it's true that Israel is at the extreme end. Most Israeli/ Jewish geopoliticial material on Iran centers around an ideology devoted to either global religious unity or global destruction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi
careful. inferring that the US basing its foreign policy towards Iran at the interest of Isreal will possibly get you a 50 point infraction from Mr. Wookie for racsicm.
10-15-2011 , 12:13 PM
Butts are hurting itt.
10-15-2011 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1007
And how are sanction going to hurt Iran? They sell all the oil they want to China.

If the US is going to threaten Iran in any way, it would be through armed conflict.
1, sanctioning the sale of oil from Iran is possible
2, sanctioning the sale of popular civilian goods to Iran is possible
3, sanctioning the sale of military goods to Iran is possible
4, sanctioning the flow of people and information to and from Iran is possible
5, sanctioning the movement of troops and military operations through no fly zones and a general demilitarised zone buffer is possible

There are LOTS of ways Iran can be sanctioned including against the very thing you say they can do, namely selling oil to China. And yeah, drone strikes on military targets are plausible, but they just arent anywhere near that point right now and its complete ignorance to think you have to Go Directly To War (do not pass Go, do not collect $200).
10-16-2011 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by todd1007
careful. inferring that the US basing its foreign policy towards Iran at the interest of Isreal will possibly get you a 50 point infraction from Mr. Wookie for racsicm.
As it should. "the JOOOOOs are going to send us to war" is as least as racist as "we gonna gets all them Ay-rabs" and if one is ban-worthy, both are.

Suffice to say, if you believe the 295 million "real Americans" (i.e. Not the JOOOOs) lost control over "their" own government to 7 million people in the Middle East and another 5-6 million stateside - they are useless or ******ed or both OR you're simply a racist conspiracy-monger. I'm going to assume they are not, so no, the JOOOOOOs (not even AIPAC!) do not control your government and cannot send it to war on a whim.

On the other hand, do you think Americans are useless and ******ed? Should I make a pole?
10-16-2011 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gamblor
As it should. "the JOOOOOs are going to send us to war" is as least as racist as "we gonna gets all them Ay-rabs" and if one is ban-worthy, both are.
no. it's not. explain how it is racist to believe the US foreign policy is being influenced by Israel. one viewpoint expresses a desire to murder an entire ethnic group. another viewpoint expresses the displeasure of being swayed into a foreign policy that provokes a completely unnecessary war. why do you believe that these two viewpoints display equal amounts of malice and hate? they do not.

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Suffice to say, if you believe the 295 million "real Americans" (i.e. Not the JOOOOs) lost control over "their" own government to 7 million people in the Middle East and another 5-6 million stateside - they are useless or ******ed or both OR you're simply a racist conspiracy-monger. I'm going to assume they are not, so no, the JOOOOOOs (not even AIPAC!) do not control your government and cannot send it to war on a whim.
explain why giving credibility to the Jewish influence "conspiracy" is evidence of racism.

If I believe that fortune 500 corporations influence the tax codes of the US government in a very unfair and unethical manor, does that make me racist against the people who influence those unfair tax codes? Is it racist of me to have a desire for those people to stop influencing the US government in an unfair and unethical manor?

The pro-Israeli lobby is very real and very well documented. Does that make me racist for believing the documented evidence?

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On the other hand, do you think Americans are useless and ******ed?
no. I think the US government is useless and ******ed. I think Americans are schmucks for allowing the pro-Israeli lobby to influence the US government to act in a useless and ******ed manor.

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Should I make a pole?
why don't you?

poll #1

Are Americans useless and ******ed?
Is the US government useless and ******ed?

poll #2

Will the US eventually have an armed conflict with Iran?
Armed conflict, are you silly?

poll #3

If the US has an armed conflict with Iran, is it a direct result of Jewish lobby influence on the US government?
If the US has an armed conflict with Iran, is it for causes that are not as a direct result of Jewish lobby influence on the US government?

poll #4

If the US has armed conflict with Iran and it is a direct result of Jewish influence on the US government, does that make US citizens schmucks?
how did your goofy ass get here? I never thought we were going to have armed conflict in the first place, much less as a result of the pro-Israeli lobby, just stop it
10-16-2011 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1007
careful. inferring that the US basing its foreign policy towards Iran at the interest of Isreal will possibly get you a 50 point infraction from Mr. Wookie for racsicm.
both countries have a clear common interest. Ofcourse Israel is more effected by Iranian support to hezbollah,hamas but other than that the concerns are identical.
10-16-2011 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ShttsWeak
both countries have a clear common interest. Ofcourse Israel is more effected by Iranian support to hezbollah,hamas but other than that the concerns are identical.
no no, you have it all wrong. todd was saying that israel and the joooos control the US government.
10-16-2011 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1007
no. it's not. explain how it is racist to believe the US foreign policy is being influenced by Israel. one viewpoint expresses a desire to murder an entire ethnic group. another viewpoint expresses the displeasure of being swayed into a foreign policy that provokes a completely unnecessary war. why do you believe that these two viewpoints display equal amounts of malice and hate? they do not.
american jews are citizens of the united states and are no less influential on american policy than the "black" lobby, the left wing media, the corporate lobby, the religious lobby, etc. that's called democracy.

So, basically, you (and the source you cite) are complaining that americans have too much influence on the american government - but wait, you're really saying that they're not real americans, they're Joooos.

my point is that the government serves its citizens. if its citizens believe they are made better off by alliance with Israel, then the government must do that. to suggest 5 million Jews control the United States' foreign policy is no less racist and anti-semitic than saying they control the banks or media.

i'll help you figure out where your thinking went wrong: there is no "The Jews".

      
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