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And so it begins (Iran - US precursors to war) And so it begins (Iran - US precursors to war)

10-11-2011 , 09:38 PM
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Mr. Holder’s assertion and the F.B.I.’s account of official Iranian involvement in the plot, reportedly code-named “Chevrolet,” provoked puzzlement from specialists on Iran, who said it seemed unlikely that the Iranian government would back a brazen murder and bombing plan on American soil.

Investigators, too, were initially skeptical about ties to Iran, officials said. They said, though, that the F.B.I. monitored calls to Iran about the plot and found money had been wired from a Quds Force bank account. In addition, the Iranian-American accused in the scheme, Mansour J. Arbabsiar, correctly identified a known Quds Force officer from a photo array, and his cousin — who he said recruited him for the plot — is another Quds official.

It remained unclear, though, whether the plot was conceived by a rogue element or had approval from top officials of the Revolutionary Guard or the Iranian government.
WTF are we supposed to draw from all this? "Some people say things. Other people say other things. This all remains unclear. We'll let you know what to believe later."
10-11-2011 , 09:40 PM
What in the goddamn hell is going on right now?

Edit: and yeah, unless they have more information than what has come out so far, what they hell are they doing making such an inflammatory charge based on such circumspect evidence? Confusing all round so far.
10-11-2011 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
WTF are we supposed to draw from all this? "Some people say things. Other people say other things. This all remains unclear. We'll let you know what to believe later."
This will all depend on how bombing Iran polls with the American public.
10-11-2011 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Boa Hancock
Do you think Israel is the only country threatened by the current Iranian regime?
Depending on which channel you tune into, the range is "Nobody is threatened by the Iranian regime" to "The whole ****ing world is threatened by the Iranian regime."

Frankly, as a real studly American, I'm perfectly willing to rip my shirt off and dare those mother****ers to come over here and get some, without spending one penny of every tax dollar to prevent them from doing so.

But I'll concede that not every American is as studly and patriotic as myself.
10-11-2011 , 09:44 PM
Ultimate drama queen thread title
10-11-2011 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by guids
This will all depend on how bombing Iran polls with the American public.
I swear to God this is how it started with Iraq, and 10 years later I've got people arguing that that whole debacle was unavoidable. It was JUST LIKE THIS.

That's kind of why I don't care anymore.
10-11-2011 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FourFins
I mean how can someone say this with a straight face? We are not at war with Yemen, with Somalia, but we sure as hell use their soil as a battleground.
This isn't particularly noteworthy. If you forced me to choose between having a war fought in my city or in some ****hole on the other side of the world, that's an easy choice.
10-11-2011 , 09:49 PM
How am I the first one to mention this?

Spoiler:
Preet Bharara


Also, wtf some tried to assassinate by nuke? How long have they been brainwashing these guys?

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...%2Fmostread%2F

Why are only some media sources saying mass destruction but not others?

Last edited by Regret$; 10-11-2011 at 09:51 PM. Reason: oh, aprtly c-4 is a weapon of mass destruction now... this country is so dumb..
10-11-2011 , 10:01 PM
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How am I the first one to mention this?
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10-11-2011 , 10:33 PM
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Is Holder now a stringer for The Onion?

The whole story sounds even crazier than something Mossad might plant as disinformation in conspi****** fashion. I'm having a really hard time taking it at face value.
Yeah, it's like it isn't even expected to be believed. Too weird to be preparatory for a retaliatory military strike. Could be anything but what it appears to be.

If it were a real plot, why would Iran broaden the risk of exposure by contacting Mexicans? Seems like Tehran could find it's own hit men.

Here's a hallucinatory thought: Saudi Arabia put a fake plot in motion for its own reasons of political maneuver, White House knows the story is coming out and has to play it as if real.

But then again, maybe it's so crazy the only explanation is that it's true. WaPo notes:

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In the past four years, four Iranian scientists with links to the country’s nuclear program have been slain, by gunshot, bomb or poisoning, by unknown assailants.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...pdL_story.html

Aside: The open skepticism of mainstream reporters is interesting.

Last edited by Bill Haywood; 10-11-2011 at 10:42 PM.
10-11-2011 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
Ultimate drama queen thread title ...
... said the boiling frog.

I forget... was it an IMF or World Bank analyst that came out and said some 2-3 months ago that the only thing that can save the world economy was wider military conflict?

If people want to keep placating themselves that this is ever-more "nothing to see here" hysteria, that's fine. ... But just a reminder: In the viewpoint of the Western global elite, demand MUST be crushed one way or another. Just as long as it's not "our" demand.
10-11-2011 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
Depending on which channel you tune into, the range is "Nobody is threatened by the Iranian regime" to "The whole ****ing world is threatened by the Iranian regime."

Frankly, as a real studly American, I'm perfectly willing to rip my shirt off and dare those mother****ers to come over here and get some, without spending one penny of every tax dollar to prevent them from doing so.

But I'll concede that not every American is as studly and patriotic as myself.
terribly noble of you... and modest
10-11-2011 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
Any time terrorist Holder says or does anything, be very ****ing suspicious.

fyp
10-11-2011 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FourFins
Some of these quotes from the DOJ are just so ridiculous.



I mean how can someone say this with a straight face? We are not at war with Yemen, with Somalia, but we sure as hell use their soil as a battleground. And I remember that Preet name from Black Friday.. ugh DOJ.


The U.S. government is a complete ****ing joke.
10-11-2011 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
If it were a real plot, why would Iran broaden the risk of exposure by contacting Mexicans? Seems like Tehran could find it's own hit men.
It's not just supposedly trying to work with Mexicans. It's the Iranians having zero preexisting contacts with the Zetas, and sending this one random guy to try to FIND and then negotiate a hit with them. I mean if I went down to MLK and asked the foot soldiers to get me the HNIC because I wanted to pay them to blow up some random low-level official, it's far, far likelier that 1) I'd get killed on the spot, 2) They'd call the cops themselves, 3) They'd tell me to get lost and they'd do 1 or 2 if they ever saw me again, and way, way, way down the list that they'd actually work with me. It's almost the dumbest way possible to go about it. And it's not like Iran doesn't have its own operatives. The whole thing is just beyond absurd as an actual Iranian govt operation.
10-11-2011 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by longmissedblind
terribly noble of you... and modest
Well, I'm just confused.

People that are big on the defense of America are afraid of things like China, and Iran, and Zombie Bin Laden, and hippies, and George Soros, and unions, and Iraq, and pot-heads, and Afghanistan, and Mexican drug lords, and premarital sex, and Hugo Chavez, and Yemen, and Pakistan.

Yet, these are the same people that love their guns and are rough'n tough'n stuff.

It's all a charade. I'm actually not scared of anything in the first paragraph, and if they want to fly over here and give us a whirl, I'll ****'m right it the ass. All of the "got to have a strong national defense" people are scared to death of weird things, and are redirecting my tax money to useless stuff.

Let's stop being scared of boogeymen and invent my flying car GDI.
10-11-2011 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
... said the boiling frog.

I forget... was it an IMF or World Bank analyst that came out and said some 2-3 months ago that the only thing that can save the world economy was wider military conflict?

If people want to keep placating themselves that this is ever-more "nothing to see here" hysteria, that's fine. ... But just a reminder: In the viewpoint of the Western global elite, demand MUST be crushed one way or another. Just as long as it's not "our" demand.
This thread title obtaining the jigs good drama queening seal of approval certainly reinforces my original point.
10-11-2011 , 11:24 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we end up going to war with Iran over this.
10-11-2011 , 11:25 PM
If you want to know when the US is serious about war, monitor how much PR comes out about how insane & evil the ruler of country X is. That tells the story.

If you don't know who the leader of country X is, there won't be a war. If random guy on the street does, there will be a war.
10-11-2011 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
Well, I'm just confused.

People that are big on the defense of America are afraid of things like China, and Iran, and Zombie Bin Laden, and hippies, and George Soros, and unions, and Iraq, and pot-heads, and Afghanistan, and Mexican drug lords, and premarital sex, and Hugo Chavez, and Yemen, and Pakistan.

Yet, these are the same people that love their guns and are rough'n tough'n stuff.

It's all a charade. I'm actually not scared of anything in the first paragraph, and if they want to fly over here and give us a whirl, I'll ****'m right it the ass. All of the "got to have a strong national defense" people are scared to death of weird things, and are redirecting my tax money to useless stuff.

Let's stop being scared of boogeymen and invent my flying car GDI.
agreed. 12gauge shotgun, imo. also, hoverboards (?)
10-11-2011 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by longmissedblind
agreed. 12gauge shotgun, imo. also, hoverboards (?)
I'd be happy with an entry-level Mr. Fusion, personally.
10-11-2011 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
This thread title obtaining the jigs good drama queening seal of approval certainly reinforces my original point.


Regardless, I didn't "approve" it any more than I "approved" your dumb surface dismissal of it.

Last edited by MrWookie; 10-12-2011 at 01:14 PM. Reason: So long Jiggs.
10-11-2011 , 11:39 PM
Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Too early to call, and luckily all of this will be public information. Skeptics have good reason to be skeptical in this case.
10-11-2011 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by longmissedblind
agreed. 12gauge shotgun, imo. also, hoverboards (?)
JSYK, I wasn't directing that tirade at you, unless you're scared of some of those things I mentioned.

In which case, we need to talk.
10-12-2011 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Ineedaride2
People that are big on the defense of America are afraid of things like China, and Iran, and Zombie Bin Laden, and hippies, and George Soros, and unions, and Iraq, and pot-heads, and Afghanistan, and Mexican drug lords, and premarital sex, and Hugo Chavez, and Yemen, and Pakistan.

      
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