Yo dawg, I heard you liked discussing women's issues in Politards...

Anyway, the set up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/us...ewanted=2&_r=3

Huh. Seems pretty standards stuff.

What would cause the entire GOP delegation on the judiciary committee to cast an obviously politically unpopular vote against the VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT amidst an already politically unfavorable environment for GOP representatives w.r.t. women?



No ****, Sherlock.

This is one of the better political moves I've seen the Democrats pull in some time. Like, not only are domestic violence protections for gays and illegal immigrants good policy, but it puts the GOP in a pretty awesome pickle, forcing them to choose between feeding the "Republicans hate women" meme, or getting primaried out of office next election by a "true conservative" who hates gays and illegalz more than them.

Also, the Dems shouldn't have too much trouble breaking a filibuster on this one and ending amendments. Collins and Snowe should definitely be on board, and there are some other Republicans who might cave with the right screws turned. Brown, possibly?

Needs a bill title change to Smack Yo Bitch Up Act.

meh the whole domestic violence is absurdly biased in favor of women anyway. we need to reign in all the domestic violence laws as it is. for all women.

its complete bs how it works now.

Gays aren't women Wookie, and honestly I'm shocked and appalled you would suggest such.

Self ban IMO

I, for one, am glad the Dems have decided to lower the hammer on these ultra-violent gays bashing their partners.

lesbians, imo

True dat. Giving money to shelters that provide housing for women escaping domestic abuse is totally in favor of women. Who is speaking out for the dudes who have had their punching bags taken away from them.

Preach it, leoslayer.

On a totally serious note, gay domestic violence occurs at rates pretty much identical to straight couples (at least for gay men).

I'm unaware of how frequent lesbian couples commit domestic violence acts.

Here in GA you can be charged with Family Violence even being gay. In some states you can't. There are states where unless its a herero couple it's just a fight, not DV.

lol amazing. i need to find that clip that was on steward or colbert where some old lady was on fox ranting about all the money wasted on rape counselling in the military.

surprisingly agile move by the dems. between the payroll tax cut and stuff like this, they might actually be figuring out how to play the game. will be funny to watch the r's squirm and rationalize ways to oppose this.

Yes, that was the surprise twist on that video

Please elaborate on what is so "absurdly biased in favor of women," and what laws you'd "reign [sic] in."

That's plain old fashion good politicking by the democrats. Republicans are so lol.

well as i have stated in other threads i was the punching bag. then after i rejected her separation offer the next day she filed a domestic violence protective order against me.

she has to offer 0 burden of proof to get the sheriff to come to my house. i was flat broke because i was still giving her all my money so i go to legal aid. they are a nice liberal non profit group that helps the poor.

they tell me well we never help those accused of domestic violence and we also typically dont help men. so they send me to an advocacy group called interact and said if they refer you we might listen. so i go there and nothing but womens magazines in the lobby. i go in and the guy looks at the case and says well according to her testimony you really havnt done anything but we cant refer you.

so then i go down to the courthouse to ask about other resources go back into the judges chambers and pick up the north carolina state pamphlet domestic violence and you. it was fng pink! pink not white not green not some gender neutral color but pink.

the fact is when it comes to domestic violence men really have 0 shot even if they do nothing.

My god, PINK?!?!?! Someone think of the men! Er, the heterosexual men!!!

the fact is when its a government document that is passed out by judges it should be gender neutral.

also the fact there is 0 burden of proof placed on females when they bring accusations and the fact that the order can be put in place without you even knowing or ever standing in front of the judge is bs.

exactly what we need right now /eyeroll

costs for medical and mental health type stuff for domestic violence is ~$4 billion a year. Total charitable giving in America is close to $300 billion each year.

Somehow or another I'd wager the same or less effort in forcing this new theft bill (theyre all essentially theft bills) down Americans' throats could be put towards directing $4billion or greater out of that $300 billion pie towards mitigating domestic violence issues in our society. Oh, and of course, in a much greater way than any government provided service, which, by some universal law, is going to be shoddier than any private run service.

The burden of proof doesn't work the same way for men? I mean, that would be pretty a pretty clear violation of the Equal Protection Clause if it didn't.

I don't know how it works in NC, but here in Maryland you can only get a 7-day temporary protective ex parte (i.e. without the other party needing to be present) order, and even for that the judge needs to find that reasonable grounds exist. If you want to get the order extended beyond 7 days, there has to be a full hearing where the accused has the right to appear, and the accuser must prove by clear and convincing evidence (i.e. not just her own testimony) that the alleged acts occurred and grounds for the order exist.

I've handled many of these cases on each side, and nothing about the process strikes me as biased against men at all.

If i were a dem involved id be amending the bill to include all domestic violence. The bill should be gender neutral.

Btw goofball was probably right that the forum is going to need a women's rights threadzilla at this rate. Right now we possibly have more threads about women on the front page than we have women who have posted in the forum in the past year.

leoslayer: arguing for political correctness since 3/15/12 @3:02 PM.

if i remember its 30 days before you can get your hearing. ex parte

but when her papers state, " the officer asked me if there has been any violence? i said no but my husband has been mean to me and he called me names!" there is no way the judge should sign off and let it go forward.

the cop told her that was domestic violence.

for the record i called her a bitch from 10ft away.

Legally speaking, assuming all things are equal (ie no laws specify genders) it would be equal. In reality when domestic abuse happens women receive much more sympathy and benefit of the doubt than men because men stereotypically are "more powerful" and statistically more domestic abuse is men on women.

I was watching some show years ago that was along the same kinda lines as Springer where a woman was talking about how she drunk too much and she joked about how she hit her husband with a bottle or ashtray or summit and the crowd laughed and the host who was a woman basically called them all dumbasses as it was clear if the genders were reversed and a man was drinking too much and hit his wife not one of them would have laughed at it. Social attitudes are still a couple decades behind the times when it comes to woman on man domestic abuse.

no i argue for equality in the justice system. i dont want either side to have more weight than the other.

I think he was pretty clear in referring to all the domestic violence laws.

right kurto lets just make it an even playing field. neither side should have the laws and courts biased in their favor.

You don't have to eliminate domestic violence laws to achieve that.