I think its hilarious how the automatic response of this forum is that the Iranian government is inherently more trustworthy than the US government.

Not saying that I think the US government is massively trustworthy, but basically the dream of any journalist in the US is to catch the government in a lie, which keeps them more honest than their Iranian counterparts.

Sounds to me like this was some sort of "lone wolf" shady doings or if it was a conspiracy it could have been some sort of half baked plan by Iran to turn America against mexico or something. As far as the US is concerned, I could see someone arguing that we just induced a lone wolf to try to do something crazy which may be true, but it I think its incredibly unlikely that we made up the whole thing.

Greenwald on the subject, good as always

It's not an issue of trustworthiness, its how the rhetoric lines up with the facts.

A plotting used car salesman who has a contact/handler in Iran that has some connection with the government does not state action make. It is wholly unresponsible for a US Official to say "zomg Act of WAR!!!!1" when that is far from the facts. The Iranian response of "complicated amatuerish plot that has nothing to do with us" is probably closer to the actual facts than an act of war sanctioned by the highest levels of Iranian government, although both contain elements of truth and exaggeration.

It's not a question about the trustworthiness of the Iranian government. It's just that many of us do not believe anything our government tells us, especially when it comes to foreign policy and terrorism. They do not have a very good history of telling the truth, especially since the lead up to the Iraq War and beyond.

low hanging fruit imo

Even if this dummy were actually trying to do what's alleged, the official response over the last day is head-scratching. Given that there's basically zero evidence that this is any kind of authorized Iranian action (and basically complete nonsense that it would be), why is everybody saber-rattling? I mean, if this guy's cousin were in the Canadian secret service (or whatever they call it), would these same people be all gung-ho about possibly invading Canada? **** no. It's hard to come up with a legitimate reason for this to be aired publicly at all as "an Iranian plot", much less right now.

I don't claim to know what's actually going on, but the two things that make absolutely no sense are this being an actual Iranian govt plot and the govt treating it as one with no evidence.

Don't see how an Iranian Gov sponsored hit on SA ambassador would

1) even care about 1.5 million measely bucks
2) would allow an Iranian national to take the heat alone

The trustworthiness of the Iranian government isnt an issue whatsoever. They'd deny it if it were true or not. The only issue is whether the U.S. government happened to invent this bizarre plot or if they didnt.

Or fell hook, line, and sinker for an amateur international setup.

Nice one.

lol

If, after this all is run through the ringer & the spin comes to a stop & it is proven that the U.S. govt. did not, in any way, "invent" this plot, will that finding result in as loud of an outcry for those who actually thought it was possible that the U.S. govt would do such a thing, be medicated for life, or just put on an isolated Libertarian island with the 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

Yeah man. Those skeptical of the government should be drugged and locked in padded rooms somewhere.

USA! USA!

H-i-l-a-r-i-o-u-s

That being said, a couple of remarks

- I wonder why no one is accusing SA of orchestrating the whole thing? Is it unthinkable? or even Israel?
Because it makes so much sense, right? Iranians are so amateurish, so stupid as to use a drug carter... LOL

- Bravo Obama! I already had lost all hope that he was the one the whole world was hoping he would be, but this... this is something else
W would be so proud of you!
Way to go Obushbama

Even if some low level Iranian had something to do with this there should be no consequences, imo. Just like there was no action taken against SA after 9/11.

I think this is a perfect reason to invade.... Pakistan.

You and Greenwald miss the point here. You can claim that US attacks in Yemen/Somalia are immoral or counterproductive or whatever. But I don't think there are any issues of violating another state's sovereignty. Stick to the moral arguments.



Right.

I believe that the large majority, if not all, terror plots stopped by law enforcement in the past 5 to 10 years were plots organized, encouraged or facilitated by law enforcement.

If China droned down individuals it considered a threat to them here in the U.S. without our consent, would that be a violation of our sovergeinty?

Those would be terror drones we fly only freedom drones.

Sometimes I read a thread in this forum that depresses the **** out of me but then I remember none of you vote and feel better.

I vote!

Yaya, but only for crackpots like Ron Paul. Still feeling good.

who do you support?

Nobody. I don't vote either so you guys can feel good too!