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06-14-2012, 04:24 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
Is it Fiji water?
Also, drone this Adam dude he sounds shady in the middle of the desert all by himself for no reason.
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06-14-2012, 04:32 AM
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#47
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band
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
Adam was pretty crazy imo. Part demon, part human, and part machine??? Damn professor Walsh, you crazy.
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06-14-2012, 04:43 AM
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#48
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Searching for my Canuck soulmate
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by steelhouse
The liberal, the teacher, always wants more from people that work and would scheme to make the most money.
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hahaha what? The liberal would try to find a way to make the most money from his water supply and not give it away/sell it at a fair price? Steelhouse on mother****ing FIYAHHHHH tonight
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06-14-2012, 04:46 AM
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#49
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: 8000+ posts of zero content. Ever.
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
yes ,yes, yes (triple store value seems fine), yes, dunno what that means
a lot of you are horrible people. I hope Cthulu eats you guys first
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06-14-2012, 06:43 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
hahaha what? The liberal would try to find a way to make the most money from his water supply and not give it away/sell it at a fair price? Steelhouse on mother****ing FIYAHHHHH tonight
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srsly steelhouse, the correct insult to the liberal is that the liberal would try to make some law that would force the guy with water to share it and the result would be everyone on the planet dying of thirst except the really wealthy/powerful people.
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06-14-2012, 07:17 AM
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#51
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band
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
The correct insult to a "liberal" is explaining to them that they are not a liberal in the sense of the ideology's origins. They are a socialist, and the one's answering "no, no, no, no,no" are the actual liberals. You insult them, AND educate them. It's great.
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06-14-2012, 07:34 AM
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#52
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
If Bill wont give or sell the water to Adam at anything less than a clearly extreme markup cost (say 10k a bottle if we need a figure) is Adam justified in taking the water by force?
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Adam will not be justified no matter what the cost, because money is not an object to him, he has unlimited funds.
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06-14-2012, 07:35 AM
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#53
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
You let tens of thousands of men and women die of thirst every single day. Would you consider yourself an immoral person?
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I don't think you could do this without significant more cost. Or if you did, it would save them for one additional day.
If the cost to you is virtually nothing in saving someone, and you'll actually help them, then I feel you are morally obligated to help. It also comes down to how many other people can also help. If you are the only one who can save someone, your burden would go up. If I saw a child drowning in a pool that I could easily swim in, but would get my clothes wet and ruin my phone, I would still be obligated, but if there was a lifeguard on duty and 50 other people there in bathing suits, my obligation would stop at letting them know if they didn't already see it. If they still didn't act, then it's just as if they were alone.
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06-14-2012, 07:41 AM
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Under your bridges
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by LirvA
How is he obligated?
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Because someone is going to die if he does nothing, and the cost to Bill is trivial. You're a pretty miserable person if you'd just watch someone die of thirst.
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06-14-2012, 07:57 AM
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aka T-Bone
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
I don't think you could do this without significant more cost. Or if you did, it would save them for one additional day.
If the cost to you is virtually nothing in saving someone, and you'll actually help them, then I feel you are morally obligated to help. It also comes down to how many other people can also help. If you are the only one who can save someone, your burden would go up. If I saw a child drowning in a pool that I could easily swim in, but would get my clothes wet and ruin my phone, I would still be obligated, but if there was a lifeguard on duty and 50 other people there in bathing suits, my obligation would stop at letting them know if they didn't already see it. If they still didn't act, then it's just as if they were alone.
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I have two monthly direct debits that come out of my account. One to save the children an one to the one drop foundation. I also have I think 5 or 6 kiva loans on the go at any one time. If everyone on their high horse in this thread gave monthly to charity they could save extra lives permanently at very little cost to themselves. I'm betting many don't. How can the immediacy of the situation possibly matter in determining morality? you know you could be saving extra lives by giving monthly if you're not how is that different to walking past a drowning child?
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06-14-2012, 08:03 AM
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#56
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
I have two monthly direct debits that come out of my account. One to save the children an one to the one drop foundation. I also have I think 5 or 6 kiva loans on the go at any one time. If everyone on their high horse in this thread gave monthly to charity they could save extra lives permanently at very little cost to themselves. I'm betting many don't. How can the immediacy of the situation possibly matter in determining morality? you know you could be saving extra lives by giving monthly if you're not how is that different to walking past a drowning child?
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Because it depends on the cost. You aren't saving a child when you give them water for a day. You save them when you give them water for the rest of their life (and food, and medicine). It's also incredibly possible that by supporting such things, it becomes even harder in the future to sustain themselves, causing more suffering later.
But find me an example where you can make a huge impact for virtually no cost, sure, I'll call someone out then. If it's a small impact for a small cost or small impact for a huge cost, then it's a different story. There is a lot of gray area in between. No one would ask you to sacrifice your life so a child could live an extra day. But when you can do something that literally makes no difference, and basically is the difference between life and death and they require no further action, then it's the other end of the scale.
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06-14-2012, 08:12 AM
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#57
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band
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Because someone is going to die if he does nothing, and the cost to Bill is trivial. You're a pretty miserable person if you'd just watch someone die of thirst.
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The thing that you want done, is for Bill to give the man some water, either for free or market value. If the cost is trivial, then he'll probably give some for free, but if he does not, and he raises the price of his scarce goods (which is exactly what you're supposed to do, do you not sweeten the pot when you have a set on the turn?) then the cost probably wasn't trivial to him.
As for myself, I'd probably give him some water for free.
Last edited by LirvA; 06-14-2012 at 08:17 AM.
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06-14-2012, 08:15 AM
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aka T-Bone
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
http://www.kiva.org/invitedby/tom2923
It's free (though really you should match the money) and your are changing lives through capitalism. The first 4 confirmed liberals who sign up here and promise to match the amount I'll send them a $25 gift card on top of their free $25 sign up. With them matching that'll give them $75 to work with or three potential life saving loans.
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06-14-2012, 08:19 AM
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#59
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band
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
what is it?
I'm really high
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06-14-2012, 08:20 AM
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band
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Selling water to a thirsty man in the desert
who's Tom?
Are you Tom, tom?
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