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Old 02-22-2012, 08:11 PM   #151
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Re: SCOTUS Grants Cert. in Affirmative Action Case

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So if by merit alone, if a school only admits whites and asians, that is fine as long as they can prove it?
Constitutionally sure. I believe so.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:14 PM   #152
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Not trying to start WWIII here, but just out of curiosity, how many people ITT would find themselves agreeing with these two assertions:

1. In the Civil War era, North should have compensated Southern slave owners to purchase those slaves their freedom

2. Using race and promoting diversity as a factor in college admissions, in an attempt to redress the still lingering impacts of legislative and de facto segregation, violates the equal protection of white Americans?
I wonder how many people in this thread would find themselves agreeing with these following two assertions?:

1. Reparations should be made to everyone who is descended from ancestors that were previously slaves before the civil war.

2. Institutionalized discrimination against whites and other various government programs are the only way that descendants from former slaves can get ahead in the USA.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:16 PM   #153
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Forum needs a racists containment thread similar to the conspiratard thread imo
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:17 PM   #154
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Both are absurd.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:27 PM   #155
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This is probably an obvious question, but when you say "every demographic" are you referring specifically to racial demographics?
I wasn't, but I also don't mean every conceivable sub-culture. I was being lazy and using that word to mean "large cultural subgorup with outward identity characteristics that society uses to demarcate them as a class." For the purposes of this discussion, it's obviously fine to limit it to race.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:00 AM   #156
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If you aren't in top 10% in Texas, you aren't getting into UT. It got to the point where they didn't even have room for everyone who got in based on the top 10%, so they sent the lesser candidates to the branch campuses first, even if they made top 10%.

Go to a crap school and get in top 10% - EZ street. Go to a good school and get 10.01%, do not pass go.

Top 10% rule is far more of a problem than AA and was way more likely to screw over this person than AA would have.
The way texas funds it's public school system is ****ed up.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:45 AM   #157
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I have never seen a black doctor (besides on TV) so I doubt anyone is getting by on just AA.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:47 AM   #158
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"Caucasians represent 47.8% of all physicians. Black doctors only make up 2.3%, and Hispanic doctors about 3.2 %"
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:54 PM   #159
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I have never seen a black doctor (besides on TV) so I doubt anyone is getting by on just AA.
Being black roughly doubles your chance of getting in. There's a chart that's way more specific, but I'm on my phone atm.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:38 AM   #160
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I think AA is discriminatory but does not come close the definition of racism, which by the way means hate. I wish more people understood discrimination is not synonymous with racism but also not mutually exclusive. As long as we as a society continue to differentiate because of race we will continue to be divided.

I think it would be impossible to convince me that making decisions in part or entirely on the basis of skin color will assist the elimination of discrimination. As long as one group has a leg up in the competition we know as life...resentment, discrimination, and racism will occur.

I think there was a time when minorities needed a leg up, effectively discriminating the majority. Obviously there was a dramatic difference in quality of life brought on by years of oppression. I think this, by many efforts of many people, has been corrected to the point where its time for all things to be equal and further instill the principal of earning our way in the world as opposed to having it handed or partially handed to us. At some point, people have to make it in the world on their own merits and not need to rely on assistance.
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:31 AM   #161
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Being black roughly doubles your chance of getting in. There's a chart that's way more specific, but I'm on my phone atm.


fyi a 33 on the mcat is about the 90th percentile, 30 is 80th.
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:10 PM   #162
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I assume that there are some med schools that are easier to get into than others; it'd be nice if there were a similar chart which attempted to control for that, and also to control for acceptance at the application versus applicant level.

I'd expect the same trend would exist even in those cases, though.
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:17 PM   #163
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Yeah i'm not sure why that'd change much. that's all med schools btw just in case that's not clear.
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:45 PM   #164
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Yeah, I don't think it'd change much, but if "White" or "Asian" applicants tended to apply to more or more competitive schools, the statistics would be somewhat skewed.
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:55 PM   #165
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well i posted this in the lc thread and got nothing.

We're halfway through the infallible SC's last decision to make AA constitutional for the next 25 years. Time for a review I guess.
No. 9/25 != half
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