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Old 10-17-2011, 11:46 AM   #106
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Do English taxes pay for Scottish kids to get university degrees? I assume the NHS is funded from a central pot so that alone is terrible when they legislate for perks like free prescriptions and the obvious healthcare costs associated with deep frying everything they eat, but education ive no clue on.

Regardless of independence the sooner Scottish MPs stop voting on English only laws the better.
No they don't. Scottish education is paid for from the Scottish budget. The NHS in Scotland is also funded by the Scottish budget. Lobby Westminster if you think they should provide free prescriptions.
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:57 AM   #107
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Exactly. But I hope you realise it's nothing personal, certainly not on my part. We can trade and be allies but there's no requirement for this outdated partnership any longer.
I agree but there no need to get rid of it either.

"The correct attitude is to be slightly against because its all far too much effort for something of no importance. "
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:02 PM   #108
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I agree but there no need to get rid of it either.

"The correct attitude is to be slightly against because its all far too much effort for something of no importance. "
You're contradicting yourself.

You can't agree if you think it's of no importance.

In my opinion it is important for a lot of people who could have a better standard of living if their taxes were spent on public services rather than squandered by the UK government which is what happens currently.
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:08 PM   #109
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You're contradicting yourself.
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You can't agree if you think it's of no importance.
I exaggerate slightly. its important to nationalists for silly reasons, lawyers for financial reasons and politicians for power reasons.

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In my opinion it is important for a lot of people who could have a better standard of living if their taxes were spent on public services rather than squandered by the UK government which is what happens currently.
but you're just making it up. You have no idea whether it will be beneficial or not.
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:16 PM   #110
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Exactly. But I hope you realise it's nothing personal, certainly not on my part. We can trade and be allies but there's no requirement for this outdated partnership any longer.
Absolutely not, wish you all the best. A thriving Scotland will be good for England and vice versa.
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:56 PM   #111
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I exaggerate slightly. its important to nationalists for silly reasons, lawyers for financial reasons and politicians for power reasons.


but you're just making it up. You have no idea whether it will be beneficial or not.
I suspect you've been trolling this thread to be honest. Now I am almost certain. You've ignored everything I've said apart from a few opinions where you've claimed I "have no idea" if it is the case.

I suggest you go and read the White Paper: "Your Scotland, Your Voice: A National Conversation" to find out why it will be better if we manage our own business.

Here's an extract from the overview of Chapter 3 A Wealthier Scotland:

With independence Scotland would have full responsibility for promoting economic growth and improving Scotland's long-term competitiveness, including:

designing a tax system to make Scotland a more attractive place for business growth and investment

choosing a macroeconomic framework, including the operation of fiscal policy, best suited to the characteristics of the Scottish economy

encouraging research and investment to spur growth in key sectors where Scotland has comparative advantages, for example in energy, food and drink, life sciences, financial services, creative industries and sustainable tourism

borrowing responsibly for investment in key long-term projects, such as the Forth Road Bridge

representing Scottish interests internationally: for example fishing policy in the European Union; duties on whisky in the World Trade Organization

establishing a distinct population strategy, addressing the demographic and skills challenges that face the nation
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:58 PM   #112
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Absolutely not, wish you all the best. A thriving Scotland will be good for England and vice versa.
Slainte Mhath!
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:17 PM   #113
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You're contradicting yourself.

You can't agree if you think it's of no importance.

In my opinion it is important for a lot of people who could have a better standard of living if their taxes were spent on public services rather than squandered by the UK government which is what happens currently.
Lol, what is this squandering that has happened you are thinking of? You know the people in charge in all the recent squandering that im thinking of were jocks, right?
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:20 PM   #114
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I refer you to post #87
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:49 PM   #115
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Lol, you literally posted a no true Scotsman fallacy
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:17 PM   #116
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It's not really about them being Scottish or not. They are just scumbags who would do anything for personal gain. This is, unfortunately, part of human nature and there are plenty of politicians of the same ilk. If they were part of a Labour Party who also wanted independence for Scotland, I still wouldn't vote for them.

It's not a particularly Scottish characteristic to be flawed and imperfect.
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well its not foreign rule.
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Scotland

England....

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Old 10-17-2011, 03:55 PM   #118
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English People

Scottish people....

If Scot's don't want tea drinking hippies afraid of guns ruling their lives than they have every right to go on a scotch drinking drunken jihad toilet papering big ben and parliment
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It's not really about them being Scottish or not. They are just scumbags who would do anything for personal gain. This is, unfortunately, part of human nature and there are plenty of politicians of the same ilk. If they were part of a Labour Party who also wanted independence for Scotland, I still wouldn't vote for them.

It's not a particularly Scottish characteristic to be flawed and imperfect.
racist ban IMO
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:07 PM   #120
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I refer you to post #87
Yes, one of the clear indications you have no idea is #87

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Under the Labour Party banner?

Hahaha I doubt it. Salmond is far too honest a man to associate himself with such a farce as the Labour Party.

British politics has had many influential Scots and most of them have been the same kind of scum who would sell their granny.
If you believe the Labour Party (and possibly even the tories) wont gain power at times in your brave new land then you're simply an idiot. Not only will they have their times in charge but instead of the big beast being exported to london you will be stuck with them in Scotland. No doubt you will be on the hustings explaining why them being elected would be very bad for Scotland but you f5requently wont win.

Then there's your naive view of the North Sea wealth. Whatever you think of the fairness you can't, if you really care about the people of scotland, just count on it. The stark fact you have to face is you wont get all of it and you will get a share of the national debt and the money from London will end.

If you're serious that scotland will definitely be better off then lets see some real plausible analysis of the likely balance sheet not a lot of bleating about fairness. Producing a white paper abouit how good you're going to run things in the interests of Scotland and promote scotch and handle a bridge is frankly pathetic.

The success of independence will be looked back on on a timescale of many decades and you have no clue what the verdict will be (and nor does anyone else). You should just admit that divorce is what you want for better or worse though you're hoping and wil strive for better.
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