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09-16-2014 , 02:35 PM
It is handwaving because however likely you say it is due to one reason you now bother to supply, its still no where close to a 100% Lock, and that is a fact.


However you are still totally ignoring all the problems for Scotland even if there is a currency union.

In before, nah wont be a problem.
09-16-2014 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29

Remember, before this started Scotland was told that further devolution was unpractical, unworkable and in no-one's best interests.
Link?
09-16-2014 , 02:41 PM
The whole there will be a currency union there will there will there will there will discussion is reminiscent of when the Christians evangelicals knock on the door.
09-16-2014 , 02:59 PM
Yes, nothing is 100% certain, but that's the nature of the beast which is why we have two years of discussions post vote in the event of a yes. Of course nothing is 100% certain at this stage. Nothing has been agreed yet and won't be until after the referendum. I don't get why this is seen as some massive Gotcha point. You can only re-assure people as best you can that common sense will prevail without knowing 100% for sure that it will.

The reality, if we're looking to nitpick, is that there has to be a currency union in any case if only for the simple reason that it takes time to switch currency.

My thought on the matter is that in the event of a yes vote the two will part ways on currency at some point, possibly as a condition of entry back into the EU. Possibly because it's not in the best interests of Scotland to be part of a currency union but have no seat at the bank of england.

Anyway am watching football but will check up at half time.
09-16-2014 , 03:00 PM
Thread should be closed imo. Its just going in circles now. English and No voters think we wont get x,y and z. Yes voters either think we will or are willing to take the risk.

No point trying to convince anyone at this stage and every single poster has now resorted to petty abusive ****, including me.
09-16-2014 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
The whole there will be a currency union there will there will there will there will discussion is reminiscent of when the Christians evangelicals knock on the door.
The hyperbole doesn't reinforce your position.
09-16-2014 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyDid I doThat :|
Everyone ITT should meet up for a scrap imo
one time dealer
09-16-2014 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SootedPowa
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-debate.html

More appalling behaviour from the yes thugs
Aye, sending in a millionaire who claims to represent the working class, to an area that suffers from the kinds of policies he supports was a genius move. Wish I'd known about this. I might have gone and thrown a bag of pish at him.
09-16-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29


It's really not, it is in the best interests of both to have a stable, strong GBP, an agreement will be reached. Anything else is just posturing. It's not hand waving at all to assert that it is in both sides interests to assure the rest of the world that it is business as usual. As I say, it's one of the few issues I think is clear cut, despite any suggestion to the contrary. Remember, before this started Scotland was told that further devolution was unpractical, unworkable and in no-one's best interests. Now here it is, on the table from a scrambling Westminster with two days to go.
What exactly is on the table other than some vacuous rhetoric?
09-16-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
The hyperbole doesn't reinforce your position.
Its not hyperbole, your certainty about CU can completely fairly be summarised as blind faith.
09-16-2014 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Its not hyperbole, your certainty about CU can completely fairly be summarised as blind faith.
Comparing the common sense conclusion that a split UK would share a currency union to the rapture is of course, hyperbole. As I say it does no-one any favours.
09-16-2014 , 03:42 PM
Nice strawman.
09-16-2014 , 03:43 PM
I don't follow, what part of your 'point' am i misrepresenting?
09-16-2014 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
There will be a currency union, it really is as simple as that. It's one of the few issues I actually see as cut and dry.
I will happily make a prop bet with you on this.

If there is a no vote it is a push.

If there is a yes vote and no currency union I win.

If there is a yes vote and a currency union you win.

We can negotiate the amount bet, but it has to be in GBP.
09-16-2014 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
Yes, nothing is 100% certain, but that's the nature of the beast which is why we have two years of discussions post vote in the event of a yes. Of course nothing is 100% certain at this stage. Nothing has been agreed yet and won't be until after the referendum. I don't get why this is seen as some massive Gotcha point. You can only re-assure people as best you can that common sense will prevail without knowing 100% for sure that it will.

The reality, if we're looking to nitpick, is that there has to be a currency union in any case if only for the simple reason that it takes time to switch currency.

My thought on the matter is that in the event of a yes vote the two will part ways on currency at some point, possibly as a condition of entry back into the EU. Possibly because it's not in the best interests of Scotland to be part of a currency union but have no seat at the bank of england.

Anyway am watching football but will check up at half time.
FTR in case I possibly get angled, clearly Scotland using the pound between the time they vote yes and the time they break away in 2016 doesnt count as a currency union.
09-16-2014 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
I will happily make a prop bet with you on this.

If there is a no vote it is a push.

If there is a yes vote and no currency union I win.

If there is a yes vote and a currency union you win.

We can negotiate the amount bet, but it has to be in GBP.
I'm not really interested, sorry. For a number of reasons, none of which has to do with doubting what i'm saying will happen.
09-16-2014 , 03:53 PM
That will just lead to arguing over what exactly constitutes a currency union imo

edit: are there any currency unions that don't involve political union besides the EU? (ie ones that actually work?) My common sense tells me it isn't a good idea, so the insistence of the SMP that it will happen is quite puzzling.
09-16-2014 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
Aye, sending in a millionaire who claims to represent the working class, to an area that suffers from the kinds of policies he supports was a genius move. Wish I'd known about this. I might have gone and thrown a bag of pish at him.
Lol, right on queue pathetic predictable DA is there defending the yes thugs.
09-16-2014 , 03:59 PM
Part of me really really wants Scotland to vote yes, then realise Britain is enforcing the act of parliament that means they only get around 9% of the north sea oil. The schadenfreude would be delicious.

Even getting the vast majority they are pretty screwed, if we split by population as the law currently says they are majorly screwed.
09-16-2014 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Part of me really really wants Scotland to vote yes, then realise Britain is enforcing the act of parliament that means they only get around 9% of the north sea oil. The schadenfreude would be delicious.

Even getting the vast majority they are pretty screwed, if we split by population as the law currently says they are majorly screwed.
And why does the other part say no?
09-16-2014 , 04:06 PM
The biggest part of me knows Britain gets screwed and has to bail out the dysfunctional free spending Scottish government within my lifetime so supports keeping Scotland in Britain by default.
09-16-2014 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Lol, right on queue pathetic predictable DA is there defending the yes thugs.
You are clearly smoking crack. Just away ye go and keep being a good wee sheep.
09-16-2014 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SiMor29
And why does the other part say no?
baaaaaaa
09-16-2014 , 04:07 PM
Over 4s available on betting sites. Surely a decent bet given polling??
09-16-2014 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
The biggest part of me knows Britain gets screwed and has to bail out the dysfunctional free spending Scottish government within my lifetime so supports keeping Scotland in Britain by default.
Why would rUK have to bail Scotland out?

      
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